Rare Crazy Panzer Projekts.

• Jul 8, 2005

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to the other end of the E series, we have the E-100 armed with a 150 mm KwK44 L/38,a 75 mm KwK44 L/36.5 as coaxial,weight 140 tones, only one prototype was build, captured by the british army at war end's, only the turret was missing

 

• Jul 8, 2005

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I have a picture of a British soldier sat on the E-100 chassis - because that's all what was built of it.

 

• Jul 9, 2005

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The heavier jagdpanzer E-25. Designed by Porsche.



The top small turret use a EW-141 20 mm gun....anti-aircraft maybe ?
Weight : 25 tons; Hull length: 5.66 m

Some influence from the Russian SU-series from this angle.

 

• Jul 9, 2005

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plan_D said:

I have a picture of a British soldier sat on the E-100 chassis - because that's all what was built of it.

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did you know that the british tried to finish it?, i saw a pic of the e-100 with the tracks on

 

• Jul 10, 2005

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plan_D said:

It really was silly. 90 tons is way too heavy for a tank of that day - but it was much better than the Maus which weighed 188 tons. The Maus was just beyond stupid - at least the Lowe had some sort of potential, although small.

Germany should have kept the limit at 60 tons. The King Tiger was 68 tons and that was too heavy - it's not like the Tiger couldn't deal with anything the Soviets or Western Allies threw at it, it only weighed 54 tons.

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Could not agree more with you here. That is a prime example of the Germans having to over engineer and go bigger and better when they already have something that works. They should have just kept producing the Tigers, King Tigers and Panthers rather than waste material on this piece!

 

• Jul 10, 2005

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Did the Mouse see any action? It would be interesting to speculate on how many Shermans it could knock out!

 

• Jul 10, 2005

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According to some sources one Maus entered in action the last days of the war against the russians, but that is at list dubious, one of this was captured and it can be seen in the Kubinka museum near Moscu.

E-100 pictorial.

E-75.

With 50mm conic bore, 75 L/48 and 88 mm L/71 installed.

 

• Jul 10, 2005

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I agree with those of you that say she was too heavy. She may have been very innovative and possibly the future but was not needed. As was stated the Germans already had superior tanks they needed to build those and not work on the Maus.

 

• Jul 10, 2005

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I did hear a rumour that the Maus saw action in the defence of the Porsche factory but I have read an extremely sensible and well thought out article disproving that rumour.

The Maus did not see action - the pot marks in it's hull front are from post-war Soviet tests with an A-19 122 mm cannon, at all ranges.

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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So the Russians were not able to punch through the armour.

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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Nope, they weren't even 1% inside the structure of the Maus.

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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Damn!

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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I don't understand the point of any of these projects, they had no practical use except as static bunkers and wasted desperately needed supplies. It must just have been a "mine's bigger than yours" philosophy. Maybe they were trying to make up for something?

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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That is exactly what it was and the fact that well Germans have the habit of over engineering things.

 

• Jul 11, 2005

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More pics of this very crazy projekt.

 

• Jul 12, 2005

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Those pot marks on the front of the Maus are from the A-19, as I've mentioned - a 122 mm cannon!

 

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• Jul 12, 2005

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the lancaster kicks ass

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does anyone else find the picture of it going cross country really funny

 

• Jul 12, 2005

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Not really, but thats phenomenal damage absorbence!

 

• Jul 12, 2005

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Agreed! In what museum can it be found now.

 

• Jul 12, 2005

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The thing that the German designers hadn't thought about was that it could be very easily destroyed if you used the right weapon- i.e. a tallboy