OK to talk tanks but suggest you start a new thread, since this has nothing to do with RLM paint colours.
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My thinking on this is, knowing all of the changes and differences that can happen or be introduced to paint.I mean during and after manufacture. Why is it so important to paint a model in the exact shades that the factory put on the real thing when it is more realistic to have weathered paint finishes? Close enough does for me as long as it's representative of the real thing
Here's more or less the mid war RLM 74/75/76 colours.
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I think you are referring to RLM 84 with has a greenish hue and it is a very late war colour used as an alternative to RLM 76. It was the Luftwaffe's version of RAF Sky.
These [late war] colours are RLM 81/82/83 with the undersurface of RLM 76 or 84.
Just to reiterate my trust issues with Vallejo's labelling system, all called Grey Violet and all still on the market...
Agreed. I've always wondered about and have yet to see the starting points for mixing camo colors of all nations. Since this is an RLM thread I'll stick here. You said "the original formulae" Is there a document I can find that has the mix to get RLM70 that says "Mix 3qts green to 1pt black" or what ever the colour combination is? I'm sure all camo starts from the basic colours or maybe not
The infamous Dunkelgelb raises its head!
All I can say at this point is that Vallejo are going to release some new paints in the model air range that cover Dunkelgelb accurately from 1943 to 1945.
As a retired (hurt) Army Officer I now keep myself busy with modelbuilding and vehicle restorer currently working on restoring some later WWII German panzers to full working order I know exactly what shades of Dunkelgelb there are... and believe me, apart from the first iriteration (Dunkelgelb Nach Muster (Dark Yellow after sample/pattern)) it was changed.
The following photos are of modern reproductions of original formulas from shade cards made for my by a company in Germany from their own Chipset & document archive. The company, still going supplies the current German military with paint and supplied the factories and field repair units (amongst other companies) in WWII.
Dunkelgelb Nach Muster (Dark Yellow After Pattern/sample). This was the first shade produced and was used from February 1943 until the end of the Kursk offensive (operation Citadel. this was the colour that was originally applied to go into the RAL register as RAL 7028 (you won't rind it in todays register). Troops at the front complained that it was too bright.
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so when building German armour this is the base colour to use from February 1943 to the end of operation citadel and associated operations.
In August 1942 RAL 7028 was accepted into the RAL register but was changed from the above shade due to complaints from the front. The shade that went into the RAL register and was used as base coat on all vehicles from August 1943 until 1944 was this:
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This I personally call Dunkelgelb I A much more earthier tone.
From around June 1944 until November /December 1944 the colour changed again and although resembling the RAL8020 base coat of the Afrika Korps it is actually darker.
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Allied intelligence reports on knocked out and captured vehicles in Normandy noted that base coats of these vehicles often differed. which gives us a nice between dates that new vehicles coming into the line on the German side would have this base colour while the older vehicles would have the previous colour.
The above colour I call Dunkelgelb II
The last variant of RAL 7028 appeared in November/December 1944 and proceeded until the end of the war. From January 1945 all Vehicles base coats became RAL 6003 Which was field tested on Tiger II tanks during Operation Panzerfaust in Budapest October 1944
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You can clearly see that this vehicle's running gear is NOT dunkelgelb.
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Above is the last variant of RAL 7028, or Dunkelgelb III as I call it. A much subdued variant of Dunkelgelb Nach Muster!
Those were the official chipset colours. Alternatives may, on occasion have been used depending on supply disruption. I will say right now that AK's Real Color 7028 set do not match these colours!
Indeed, it is the translation into English from Spanish.
If I get the chance in the next couple of days I will prepare and photograph some paint chips. I have one of my original Panthers (Panzer V) on winter schedule maintenance. There is a very large 700hp Maybach V-12 HL230 P30 on a test/work stand as it undergoes a minor rebuild. 2 of the cylinders were misfiring and some parts have to be remade and fitted. Once that is done and the beast works with no problems on the stand without sounding like an artillery piece firing and gives us that wonderful Maybach grumble that made allied soldiers go white then it can be refitted back into the engine compartment which is a very small area to work in!
I am trying to get hold of Rye Field Models' new Panther G with interior and Takom's Panther A with interior kits.
On my bench at the moment is Meng's Panther A late which I am building to copy one that I have in my warehouse that fought with Panzer Division Munchenberg in the Seelow Heights area and Berlin in 1945. This particular vehicle was folded in to the Panzer Division from the GrossDeutchland and didn't change the division insignia to the Munchenberg one.
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I am looking for those respective division insignia in 1/35, so if anyone can help there with a link???
is it ok to talk about Panzers on here or is it just aircraft?