loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
- 1,840
- Dec 20, 2005
yup, Les' gonna give u a major slam
Russian Fighters
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Shut up looma..
loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
- 1,840
- Dec 20, 2005
ok, I wont be on for the next 2 days anyways
Wow Udet I can not believe that I am going to defend you here.....
Pips you need to learn something here, dont go around and start offending people and then question why other people offend you. Right now you are treading on a very thin line here and certain moderaters here are not as nice as I am and will end these shinanagens before you can open your damn mouth again...
Pips you need to learn something here, dont go around and start offending people and then question why other people offend you. Right now you are treading on a very thin line here and certain moderaters here are not as nice as I am and will end these shinanagens before you can open your damn mouth again...
PipsPriller said:
Pips you seem to have some knowledge about aircraft, but you need to learn to express yourself better without offending people. There is many knowledgeable people here, we are all here to share our knowledge and experiences. You are a Junior member still, you need to spend alittle time here to learn how things work around here.
I welcome you to our site, but you need to be careful how you address people here. Treat them with respect, respect their ideas and they will respect yours. Be humble. The men you are addressing here have more information then you can imagine. Several are Vets and some are pilots, all are very knowledgeable and all deserve your respect.
If you don't agree with someone's points then just offer straight facts to back up your points. Leave out the sarcasm or attitude and things will be fine.
I hope your stay will be a long one.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
U really think so @sshole??? U think all 7,700 + posts I have are insults??? Do u see the moniker below my name??? Did u notice its written in red???? Did u know that a red name means I'm a Moderator??? Did u know that I take Meatballs like urself and either get them on the right page attitude-wise or kick ur @ss to the curb???
Heres the one piece of advice Ill offer up... Dont piss me off... Ur stay will be short and rather unpleasant....
I have Willi's book as well Mr Knowitall, and for "clarification", its not pointless to mention the Dora or the -152, whether or not they shot down alot of Russian aircraft or not, nor the impact that they had on the War.... Its about which aircraft were superior, and both the Dora and the -152 were far ahead of anything the VVS could put into the air.... And if u read Green Hearts, First in Combat with the Dora 9 by Axel Urbanke, u might be more informed...
Keep ur attitude at home with ur kids cause its not needed or welcome here noob... Many like urself have come here and spewed out their opinionated comments, and I have rid this message board of the shitstarters....
And for the record, I am very good at slingin insults, and if u continue to chaff my @ss, I'll personally make it my mission to rid this board of ur pathetic presence.... Get onboard or leave....
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PipsPriller
Guest
Well it seems lesofprimus that being a Moderator you like to abuse your power to throw insults at those who will dispute your 'supposedly' superior knowledge. And if they have the termerity to question you you threaten to ban them!
I'll save you the trouble. If you are typical of this board it's certainly not one that I would like to be associated with.
I'll save you the trouble. If you are typical of this board it's certainly not one that I would like to be associated with.
You see there you go, all you had to do was say, hey maybe I do have a problem and maybe I should listen to others. In the end it works out. Because of your rant there to another moderator. I will give you a warning.
Personally, I think they're both being pathetic. But Udet didn't help the situation ... just read his post everyone. There's no debating at all, it is all just "You don't have a clue" all the way through. At least, Pips has produced some modicum of 'evidence' to his case. As much as I disagree with Pips on his conclusions about the VVS vs. Luftwaffe at least he was willing to discuss it.
I think it would be more suited for Soren (who as much as I argue, have great respect for his knowledge) and Pips to debate this subject. Rather than Udet's "Germany was ****in' awesome, dude, no one could match them. Shut up it's all propaganda" .
Personally, I think both Pips and Udet are to blame for this. At least Udet said he'd ignore the posts from now on.
I think it would be more suited for Soren (who as much as I argue, have great respect for his knowledge) and Pips to debate this subject. Rather than Udet's "Germany was ****in' awesome, dude, no one could match them. Shut up it's all propaganda" .
Personally, I think both Pips and Udet are to blame for this. At least Udet said he'd ignore the posts from now on.
That is true too aswell and Udet has been told numerous times that he needs to formulate better how he talks to people.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Straight up pathetic.... I wasnt insulting u meatball, I was teaching u a lesson... U obviously dont learn very well.... It wasnt a dispute over whose knowledge is superior or not, it was about ur blind arrogance to the argument at hand concerning the quality of Russian aircraft...
I told u not to screw with me, but u didnt take the advice, which is fine, cause now u have a 50% warning on ur ***.... Ur halfway there pal, so keep up the attitude and u'll be gone before post #50....
Ya know, if u had done ur homework and studied this place and looked through the older threads, ud have seen how its Moderated and how attitudes such as the one u brought here arent tolerated....
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
Some interesting notes:
From a Russian web site comparing WWII aircraft, here the Me-109F.
"Alas, these recommendations did not reflect the true state of affairs. From German materials and test results obtained in Britain, it turned out that the Bf 109F with a DB 60IN engine had a maximum speed of 597-600 km/h16 at an altitude of 6000 meters, rather than at the 552 km/h registered at the Air Forces Scientific Research Institute. It meant that the Messerschmitt surpassed all domestic fighters here, the series-produced MiG-3 included. But, it is quite clear why principal attention in the Soviet Union was paid to enemy fighter performance near the ground. It was just there where the main battles of the first phase of war took place and our aircraft designers were required urgently to improve the flight performance of domestic aircraft at low altitudes."
Also of interest. The military channel just had a article on Russian fighters. They said that the Lag 5 got its start with the capture of a Fw190 and its engine technology. If so, then the Lag also traces its engine to the PW radials, which BMW built under license from PW. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jappanese radials also traced back to the PW or Wright radials.
These were amazing engines.
From a Russian web site comparing WWII aircraft, here the Me-109F.
"Alas, these recommendations did not reflect the true state of affairs. From German materials and test results obtained in Britain, it turned out that the Bf 109F with a DB 60IN engine had a maximum speed of 597-600 km/h16 at an altitude of 6000 meters, rather than at the 552 km/h registered at the Air Forces Scientific Research Institute. It meant that the Messerschmitt surpassed all domestic fighters here, the series-produced MiG-3 included. But, it is quite clear why principal attention in the Soviet Union was paid to enemy fighter performance near the ground. It was just there where the main battles of the first phase of war took place and our aircraft designers were required urgently to improve the flight performance of domestic aircraft at low altitudes."
Also of interest. The military channel just had a article on Russian fighters. They said that the Lag 5 got its start with the capture of a Fw190 and its engine technology. If so, then the Lag also traces its engine to the PW radials, which BMW built under license from PW. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jappanese radials also traced back to the PW or Wright radials.
These were amazing engines.
evangilder
"Shooter"
The Sakae engine used in the Zero was basically a Pratt Whitney double Wasp engine. The Japanese were license building PWs before the war. The Sakae 21 engine even had the PW eagle logo on it!
Noted by Cowin "Corky" Meyer:
"the Sakae 21 engine announced its Pratt Whitney ancestry by conscientiously displaying the Pratt Whitney logo with an eagle on it and the English term "Quality Reliability", along with the Nakajima name in Japanese."
Noted by Cowin "Corky" Meyer:
"the Sakae 21 engine announced its Pratt Whitney ancestry by conscientiously displaying the Pratt Whitney logo with an eagle on it and the English term "Quality Reliability", along with the Nakajima name in Japanese."
Henk
Master Sergeant
PipsPriller did you notice that under Les name there is the following: "Minister of Whoopass". Trust me do not try to give Les a hard time or try to get a insult in or two. You must either be stupid or not have any brains to come over here and put up a fight here about something that you do not have a clue about.
Like Les said, drop the attitude and get your act together and you would have a nice stay here, but piss him off and it will be really short. You could have just pointed out your oppinion better and it would not have gotton so messy.
Enjoy the rest of your stay.
Like Les said, drop the attitude and get your act together and you would have a nice stay here, but piss him off and it will be really short. You could have just pointed out your oppinion better and it would not have gotton so messy.
Enjoy the rest of your stay.
Chocks away!
Senior Airman
Do you have more imformation on the Fw 190 D-9 operating on the Eastern front? Can you suggest a book?Soren said:
Dac
Airman 1st Class
A little off-topic here.
Does anyone know the availibilty rates of the Luftwaffe and Soviet fighters?
From what I know the Soviet fighters were of a cruder design but were better suited to weather extremes and the rough conditions of frontal airfields.
The German fighters on the other hand suffered some of the same problems that WW II German weapons in general had. They were very well designed but sometimes malfunctioned under the harsh conditions on the Eastern front.
Does anyone know the availibilty rates of the Luftwaffe and Soviet fighters?
From what I know the Soviet fighters were of a cruder design but were better suited to weather extremes and the rough conditions of frontal airfields.
The German fighters on the other hand suffered some of the same problems that WW II German weapons in general had. They were very well designed but sometimes malfunctioned under the harsh conditions on the Eastern front.
Let me look through my OKW war diaries and see if it has anything in them.
Dac
Airman 1st Class
thanks Adler
