Steve Fosset missing
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johnbr
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Yes not looking good at all.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
And he had a watch that had a 406MHz ELT built in. But you had to pull out the antenna to activate it. Perhaps my pessimism, but 
Soundbreaker Welch?
Tech Sergeant
Oh no.
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evangilder
"Shooter"
drgondog
Major
My first reaction is he went down in water..
Erich
the old Sage
Bill but where ? a high Sierra lake..........it is a possibility, not sure what is stuck up in the arrid backcountry of the Nevada white mtns
ccheese
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MINDEN, Nev. — The search for missing aviator Steve Fossett has generated Internet tips and volunteer pilots, though whether the extra aid is helping or hurting the rescue effort is still an open question.
Driven by Google search technology that enables couch potatoes to view from their computers high-resolution photographs of the rugged Nevada landscape where Fossett went missing, thousands of amateur volunteers are trying to help the hundreds of official searchers.
"This is kind of a new thing for us," said Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia Ryan, who said every Google-generated tip is reviewed and the best ones passed on to pilots. So far, there have been several false sightings of Fossett's airplane.
A private search effort also is being driven in part by hotel magnate Barron Hilton, who has opened the mile-long airstrip at his Flying M Ranch to search planes and helicopters. Fossett took off from the ranch's runway more than a week ago.
While the private effort has worked side by side with the government during the eight-day hunt, officials said they are becoming worried that the latest call for volunteers could bring in people who are unfamiliar with the vast and often dangerous landscape.
"It has not been condoned, nor is it necessarily helpful to the law enforcement community," Lyon County Undersheriff Joe Sanford said Sunday. "We don't want searchers to have to go out to look for searchers."
On Monday, Sanford explained he was most concerned with the possibility that untrained searchers would begin conducting independent ground searches in the rugged, sparsely populated areas where Fossett is believed to be lost.
Sanford said a lack of oversight sometimes leads to the official search effort covering ground already searched by the private effort. He said the private effort was still welcome, but noted that it is "impossible to track."
On Fossett's Internet site, a link is offered to the satellite image analysis project, and search coordinator Mark Marshall has asked for help from pilots trained in search and rescue.
"You will need to make your own way to the ranch. Accommodation is now tight, so you will need a tent and sleeping bag — and a commitment to stay for some time if necessary," the site says.
Officials also expressed concern that participants in the National Championship Air Races and Air Show in nearby Reno starting Wednesday could hamper the search effort. They pleaded with race participants and other pilots attending the event to stay away from the search area.
The 63-year-old Fossett, a former commodities trader who was the first to circle the globe in a balloon, was last heard from Sept. 3. Authorities believe he was carrying only one bottle of water, but he is considered an expert pilot and survivalist.
"I am confident in his ability to survive this," Ryan said.
The search will continue indefinitely, she said, adding that the effort will stop when searchers have "exhausted every square inch, and we aren't even close to that."
Fossett's wife, Peggy, praised the joint effort, calling it "an incredible collaboration." In a statement, she said, "Our hopes are high and I am confident of a successful resolution to this search.
"I am indebted to the numerous friends who have come from around the world to serve as pilots, spotters and ground crew and who are giving genuine moral support during this difficult time."
Hilton has declined to comment to The Associated Press, and pilots and ground crew at the ranch also declined to talk to a reporter who visited.
Since Saturday, two government helicopters have been based at Hilton's ranch, authorities said. The airstrip is about 80 miles southeast of Reno.
Once used to entertain high-rolling gamblers from Hilton casinos in Las Vegas, the Flying M Ranch has become a coveted getaway for aviators and astronauts. To get there by road, one must take a 26-mile journey over a dirt road that offers a view of mile after mile of sagebrush, rocks and sand.
This is the latest from Fox News.....
Charles
Driven by Google search technology that enables couch potatoes to view from their computers high-resolution photographs of the rugged Nevada landscape where Fossett went missing, thousands of amateur volunteers are trying to help the hundreds of official searchers.
"This is kind of a new thing for us," said Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia Ryan, who said every Google-generated tip is reviewed and the best ones passed on to pilots. So far, there have been several false sightings of Fossett's airplane.
A private search effort also is being driven in part by hotel magnate Barron Hilton, who has opened the mile-long airstrip at his Flying M Ranch to search planes and helicopters. Fossett took off from the ranch's runway more than a week ago.
While the private effort has worked side by side with the government during the eight-day hunt, officials said they are becoming worried that the latest call for volunteers could bring in people who are unfamiliar with the vast and often dangerous landscape.
"It has not been condoned, nor is it necessarily helpful to the law enforcement community," Lyon County Undersheriff Joe Sanford said Sunday. "We don't want searchers to have to go out to look for searchers."
On Monday, Sanford explained he was most concerned with the possibility that untrained searchers would begin conducting independent ground searches in the rugged, sparsely populated areas where Fossett is believed to be lost.
Sanford said a lack of oversight sometimes leads to the official search effort covering ground already searched by the private effort. He said the private effort was still welcome, but noted that it is "impossible to track."
On Fossett's Internet site, a link is offered to the satellite image analysis project, and search coordinator Mark Marshall has asked for help from pilots trained in search and rescue.
"You will need to make your own way to the ranch. Accommodation is now tight, so you will need a tent and sleeping bag — and a commitment to stay for some time if necessary," the site says.
Officials also expressed concern that participants in the National Championship Air Races and Air Show in nearby Reno starting Wednesday could hamper the search effort. They pleaded with race participants and other pilots attending the event to stay away from the search area.
The 63-year-old Fossett, a former commodities trader who was the first to circle the globe in a balloon, was last heard from Sept. 3. Authorities believe he was carrying only one bottle of water, but he is considered an expert pilot and survivalist.
"I am confident in his ability to survive this," Ryan said.
The search will continue indefinitely, she said, adding that the effort will stop when searchers have "exhausted every square inch, and we aren't even close to that."
Fossett's wife, Peggy, praised the joint effort, calling it "an incredible collaboration." In a statement, she said, "Our hopes are high and I am confident of a successful resolution to this search.
"I am indebted to the numerous friends who have come from around the world to serve as pilots, spotters and ground crew and who are giving genuine moral support during this difficult time."
Hilton has declined to comment to The Associated Press, and pilots and ground crew at the ranch also declined to talk to a reporter who visited.
Since Saturday, two government helicopters have been based at Hilton's ranch, authorities said. The airstrip is about 80 miles southeast of Reno.
Once used to entertain high-rolling gamblers from Hilton casinos in Las Vegas, the Flying M Ranch has become a coveted getaway for aviators and astronauts. To get there by road, one must take a 26-mile journey over a dirt road that offers a view of mile after mile of sagebrush, rocks and sand.
This is the latest from Fox News.....
Charles
Erich
the old Sage
interesting as well as relatives of the missing are asking local flyers from south Oregon to come down and participate due to the bungle of the Oriental couple from San Francisco this past winter and the long and drawn out work to rescue the familie from my part of the woods ............ guess we have some experience as we were on at least 3 missings this past winter
ccheese
Member In Perpetuity
SEARCH FOR MISSING AVIATOR STEVE FOSSETT SCALED BACK
Monday, September 17, 2007
MINDEN, Nev. — The search for missing millionaire adventurer Steve Fossett
in the rugged and remote high Nevada desert was cut back on Monday.
The Civil Air Patrol, which had 20 planes and 60 searchers aloft over the
weekend, suspended further flights and left two planes and a small team on
standby at the airport here.
"We don't like to do that. It's against our nature to walk away from a
search," Maj. Cynthia Ryan of the Nevada CAP said. "But at some point you
have diminishing returns."
Ryan said volunteer CAP pilots in up to 28 planes made 245 flights searching
for Fossett, 63, who disappeared on Labor Day while flying his plane. The
search has covered an area twice the size of New Jersey.
The National Guard kept five helicopters on search duty — and many private
aircraft continue to operate out of hotel mogul Barron Hilton's 1 million-acre
Flying M Ranch, where Fossett had been staying.
Search and rescue crews on the ground also continued their efforts as the
search for Fossett entered its third week.
Maj. Ed Locke of the Nevada Air National Guard said the guard's helicopters
will continue flying and will be able to hover closer to the ground than the
CAP planes. He said tips have dropped off.
Lyon County Sheriff Allen Veil, whose county includes Hilton's ranch, said he's
observed the private search and has seen "a sense of optimism that Mr.
Fossett is still out there alive, and they're set on finding him."
But the sheriff also said it's possible that the organized search for Fossett
might turn up nothing and some hiker or hunter eventually will come across
the wreckage of Fossett's single-engine plane.
As the search continued on the edge of the Sierra in northern Nevada and
eastern California, comparisons were being made to the mystery of Amelia
Earhart's disappearance over the Pacific Ocean 70 years ago.
Ric Gillespie, leader of an effort this summer to find Earhart, who vanished in
July 1937 during an around-the-world flight attempt, said the comparisons
will continue to grow.
"We like to think that anything is findable with enough resources. But it could
turn into another Amelia Earhart situation," said Gillespie, head of The
International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery, on Sunday.
"If they don't find something, the mystery element will grow and grow," he
said.
This from Fox News……
Charles
Monday, September 17, 2007
MINDEN, Nev. — The search for missing millionaire adventurer Steve Fossett
in the rugged and remote high Nevada desert was cut back on Monday.
The Civil Air Patrol, which had 20 planes and 60 searchers aloft over the
weekend, suspended further flights and left two planes and a small team on
standby at the airport here.
"We don't like to do that. It's against our nature to walk away from a
search," Maj. Cynthia Ryan of the Nevada CAP said. "But at some point you
have diminishing returns."
Ryan said volunteer CAP pilots in up to 28 planes made 245 flights searching
for Fossett, 63, who disappeared on Labor Day while flying his plane. The
search has covered an area twice the size of New Jersey.
The National Guard kept five helicopters on search duty — and many private
aircraft continue to operate out of hotel mogul Barron Hilton's 1 million-acre
Flying M Ranch, where Fossett had been staying.
Search and rescue crews on the ground also continued their efforts as the
search for Fossett entered its third week.
Maj. Ed Locke of the Nevada Air National Guard said the guard's helicopters
will continue flying and will be able to hover closer to the ground than the
CAP planes. He said tips have dropped off.
Lyon County Sheriff Allen Veil, whose county includes Hilton's ranch, said he's
observed the private search and has seen "a sense of optimism that Mr.
Fossett is still out there alive, and they're set on finding him."
But the sheriff also said it's possible that the organized search for Fossett
might turn up nothing and some hiker or hunter eventually will come across
the wreckage of Fossett's single-engine plane.
As the search continued on the edge of the Sierra in northern Nevada and
eastern California, comparisons were being made to the mystery of Amelia
Earhart's disappearance over the Pacific Ocean 70 years ago.
Ric Gillespie, leader of an effort this summer to find Earhart, who vanished in
July 1937 during an around-the-world flight attempt, said the comparisons
will continue to grow.
"We like to think that anything is findable with enough resources. But it could
turn into another Amelia Earhart situation," said Gillespie, head of The
International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery, on Sunday.
"If they don't find something, the mystery element will grow and grow," he
said.
This from Fox News……
Charles
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evangilder
"Shooter"
Sad.
Who knows maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and he did not want to be found, if you know what I mean.
Wierder things have happened.
Wierder things have happened.
Like he walked away from it all? Possible. Actually, it would be a pretty smart way to do it.
Perhaps the plane will not be found is what I mean. Perhaps it never crashed and he is living happily down in Mexico...
Like I said it is probably not true and unfortunatly it was probably a crash but there are a lot of very wiered things in this whole story here.
Like I said it is probably not true and unfortunatly it was probably a crash but there are a lot of very wiered things in this whole story here.
True it would be a possibility - stranger things have happened for sure. Still it is sad all the same.
Haztoys
Senior Airman
Were he was at north west Nevada and north east California is very vast and rugged.. I own 400 acres just at the California/Nevada border... I could see him going down and have a hard time finding someone...That part of the country is the "Out Back of America" ...
I hope they find him...
I hope they find him...
ccheese
Member In Perpetuity
I'm with Adler.....Maybe he doesn't want to be found ? Other people have
done it.
Charles
done it.
Charles
