Sunderland vs. eight Ju 88's

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yeah.. I'd like to hear the American version of the account... i find it hard to believe they ran out of ammo...

If so, those boys needed some discipline.

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comiso90 said:
In a situation like that, what were the gunners trained to shoot at? I would think the priorities would be:

1.The enemy cockpit
2.other gunners
3.engines
4.ANYTHING
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Shooting at enemy crew can't give fast effect, cause their stands are usually armoured. The humans' profile isn't a too big target in comparision aircraft size also (hard to hit and see the results).

My priorities would be other a vital parts: enginies and fuel tanks (big and soft targers). It could give fast visual effects (smoke, fire or fuel leaks) - very important for gunners also from psychological reasons.
 

I don't disagree but if I'm a waste gunner in a B-17 along side a Mavis and I was watching the jap gunner walk tracers towards me.... I'm going to do anything i can to take him out.

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Interesting stories. I've read a lot similar stories about Wellingtons flown by Czechoslovak pilots of No. 311 (Czechoslovak) Squadron RAF.
 
Good story about the Mavis but rough luck for two B-17's.

Really unlucky for that crew of the Sunderland, and somehow weird that they again came across another pack of Ju 88's. Just couldn't take out the odds twice.
 
I've heard more than one story of unescorted Me-323 Gigants being found by lucky fighter pilots, but nothing like a battle of giants.
 
Glider said:
I have heard of Arado 196's being used to intercept A/S patrol aircraft of the French coast, mainly Whitleys. Must be the slowest intercept / dogfight of the war.
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Like WW 1 with out the maneuverability..
 
While not WW II just found this little story in a Flight Journal magazine.

January 28, 1970 - James C. "Casey" Quinn, an aircraft/mission commander of an Air Force HC-130P from 39th AARS operating from Udorn, thailand was refueling HH-3E Jolly Green Giant helos when attacked by a MiG 21. Wheteher from gunfire from the Jolly Greens and the Herc or from the evasive action by Casey, the Mig 21, flown by Pham Dinh Tuan crashed into a mountainside and was killed. Will try to post the whole story if I can.
 
I don't have exact stories; but the RAF and USAAF sent everything and anything over the Med to intercept German transports. So, the stories while not being famous, would be numerous. The Ju 52s were the main targets and B-25s were known to rip them out of the sky with ease.
 

That would be a site... a fine day to be a gunner, a rare treat.

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Cosimo, found a good Sunderland story.

April 8, 1940: Nine He 111s of 1(F)./122 took off from Hamburg to check the area east of the Shetlands. One of these aircraft sighted the British 2nd Cruiser Squadron together with 11 destroyers heading north at high speed to intercept the suspected breakout to the Atlantic of the 'Admiral Hipper' and her escorts. Another of the 1(F)./122 Heinkels encountered a Sunderland of RAF No. 204 Sqdrn and a running fight ensued which resulted in the Sunderland crashing into the sea west of Bergen. The Heinkel returned to Hamburg undamaged.
 
in regards to air to air of large A/C I have a recollection of accounts of a sunderland encountering and engaging a FW 200 neither a/c were downed.
 
 
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