The Best Bf - 109 Variant ?

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The Bf-109Z actually never flew so what kind of problems it had will never be known. The only prototype built was damaged in an air attack while on the ground.

Bf-109Z


Here is another interesting Me-109 conversion that also never made it being canceled when the Me-262 came online.

Me-109TL

 

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Another interesting variants was the H, high altitude figther.

BF-109H-O, used F version fuselage.

Motor : DB 601E 1350 hp
wingspan : 11,92 m
Lenght : 8,85 m
Max weight : 3800 kg
Max speed: 750 km/h
Ceiling : 14600 m
Armament 1xMK-108 2 MG 17

H-2:

Motor : Jumo 213 E / DB 605 E 1776 hp
wingspan : 11,92 m
Lenght : 8,85 m
Armament: 1 MK 108 2 MG 151/20 + 2 MK 108 or 2 MG 131

 
It was originally concieved as a heavily armed high alltitude fighter but none of this type were ever produced. Only a few made it to units for recon.

 
Friend Dave Wadman from Canada has produced a book on the Recon units and describes H's flown on the recon duties, very few of course as the 109G was available in sufficient numbers.

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I always thought it was only about 3-5 109H's that made it into units. There was problems with the aircraft from the onset as the original prototype was just a Bf-109F that had its wings lenghened inserting a 2 meter wing section and bracing the tail plane. The aircraft could only read about 44,000ft and had several problems with wing flutter, one even losing a wing in a dive in April 1944. At one point they discussed converting a Me-209 into a High Alltitude fighter but the whole program was dropped in favor of the Ta-152.

Here is some info on the 209 which was originally designed as a race aircraft.

 

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Some interesting info on the elevator-problems accuring with the 109 high speeds. (It seems that problems only accure above 800km/h ! )
 

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Reference Me 109 - wing breakages. Owing to continually recurring accidents caused by wing breakages in Me 109 aircraft attention is drawn to the following:

.......(1) The maximum permissible indicated airspeeds in the different heights are not being observed and are widely exceeded. On the basis of evidence which is now available the speed limitations ordered by teleprint message GL/6 No. 2428/41 of 10.6.41 are cancelled and replaced by the following data:

Up to 3 km (9,842 ft.) 750 km/h. (466 m.p.h.)
At 5 km (16,404 ft) 700 km/h. (435 m.p.h.)
At 7 km (22,965 ft) 575 km/h. (357 m.p.h.)
At 9 km (29,527 ft) 450 km/h. (280 m.p.h.)
At 11 km (36,089 ft) 400 km/h. (248 m.p.h.)

.......These limitations are valid for the time being for all building series including the Me 109 G. A corresponding notice is to be placed upon all air-speed indicators in aircraft.


As can be seen the 109 could only reach high speeds in a dive below 3km.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Are you sure that is only in a dive, it sounds like the report says in level flight. The one up top says dive yes, but the one on the bottom.

Yes those are dive speeds.
 

I guess what Crazy Kanuck is saying is that the Bf-109's couldn't outdive Spitfires. You'd think someome making that implied assertion would link to the whole document. 6/10/41 max speed of 248 at 36K? Maybe. The 109F did have some early structural issues and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what is being referred to. Well, the F slaughtered the contemporary Spitfires....lol

This is too funny.
 
TROLL, no implied assertion but then I can't help you with your lack of reading ability.

Flying Limitations of the Spitfire IX (from Pilot's Notes)
Maximum speeds in m.p.h I.A.S.
Diving (without external stores), corresponding to a Mach No. of -85:

Between S.L. and 20,000 ft. - 450 (724kph)
20,000 and 25,000 ft - 430 (692kph)
25,000 and 30,000 ft. - 390 (628kph)
30,000 and 35,000 ft. - 340 (724kph)
Above ..................35,000 ft. - 310 (499kph)

It should be remembered that the Spitfire was dived at Mach 0.89.


If the troll had visited the link posted on pg 3 he would see.

Further from the link,

Dive limitations from: Bf 109 G-2, G-4, G-6 Bedienungsvorschrift, June 1943 edition

.......Dive: Adjust trim in such a way that the airplane can be held in a dive. The elevator forces and tailplane loads become great at high speeds. The tailplane adjustment must work perfectly; otherwise shifting of the tailplane is possible.
Sturzflug: Trimming so einstellen daß das Flugzeug durch Drücken im Sturzflug gehalten werden kann. Die Höhenruderkräfte und Flossenbelastungen werden bei hoher Fahrt sehr groß. Hemmung der Flossen verstellung muß einwandfrei arbeiten; sonst ist Selbst verstellung der Flosse möglich.

.......Maximum diving speed 750 km/h. Hard aileron manipulation while diving leads to failure, particularly when pulling out. Höchstzulässige Sturzfluggeschwindigkeit 750 km/h. Harte querruder betätigung im Sturz und besonders beim Abfangen führt zum Bruch.
 
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