The Best Bf - 109 Variant ?

[cheddar cheese]

Yeah. The engines were too underpowered really. If they had BMW 801;s or DB601's or 605's or something like that it may have had the capability to be converted in to an effective heavy fighter.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Maybe

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

Imagine trying to use one as a P-38 type aircraft.

they did, they were both easily shot down

 

[CharlesBronson]

The german P-38.

Paper projectk only.

 

[Erich]

WTH is that ? ah two 2cm rearward firing weapons to blow the boom tail off.........

 

[CharlesBronson]

Is one of the preliminar designs for the Me-210, the tail defensive guns are two MG-151 /15 in a electric laffete.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

WTH is that ? ah two 2cm rearward firing weapons to blow the boom tail off.........

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Is one of the preliminar designs for the Me-210, the tail defensive guns are two MG-151 /15 in a electric laffete.

Please tell me where you get this from. No designs for teh Me-210 ever looked like that. Here is the real Me-210. Which eventualy became the Me-410.

The Messerschmitt Me 210 was a heavy fighter designed before the start of World War II to replace the Bf 110 in that role. The first examples of the Me 210 were ready in 1939 but they proved to have terrible handling, and remedying the problem took so long that everyone involved tried to distance themselves from it.

Messerschmitt designers had started working on an upgrade to the Bf 110 in 1937, before the production version had even flown. In late 1938 the 110 was just entering service when the RLM also started looking for its replacement. Messerschmitt sent in their modifed 110 as the Me 210, and Arado responded with their all-new Arado Ar 240.

The Me 210 was a straightforward cleanup of the 110 and used many of the same parts. The main differences were a modified nose area that was much shorter and located over the center of gravity, and an all-new wing designed for higher cruise speeds. On paper the 210 looked fantastic. It could reach 385 mph (620 km/h) on two 1,350 hp (993 kW) DB 601F engines, making it about 50 mph (80 km/h) faster than the 110, and as fast as single-engine fighters of the era. It had a huge bomb-bay in the nose, which could hold up to 1000 kg of bombs, or alternately up to four 20 mm cannon, with dive brakes fitted on the tops of the wings and a Stuvi 5B bomb sight in the nose for dive bombing. For defense it mounted clever remote-controlled guns in well-faired barbettes on the side of the plane, and the cockpit had a bulged canopy to allow the gunner to see (and aim) down and to the rear.

An order for 1,000 was placed even before the prototype had flown. In time this would prove to be unwise. The first prototype 210 flew with 601B engines in September 1939 and was considered unflyable. Stability was bad in turns, and it tended to "snake" even while flying level. At first the designers concentrated on the twin-rudder arrangement that had been taken from the 110, and replaced it with a new and much larger vertical stabilizer. However this had almost no real effect, and the plane continued to snake. The plane also had terrible stalls, and with the nose up or in a turn the stalls whipped into spins when the leading-edge slats opened. V2 was lost this way the next September when the pilot could not get out of the resulting spin and had to jump. The chief test pilot commented that the Me 210 had "all the least desirable attributes an aeroplane could possess." Nevertheless, the RLM was desperate to replace the 6,000 110's currently in service, and ordered full production in the spring of 1941.

Deliveries to front-line units started in April 1942 and the plane proved to be even less popular with pilots. Production was stopped at the end of the month, by which time only 90 had been delivered. Another 320 were simply left unfinished on the factory floor. In its place the 110 went back into production, now hopelessly outclassed even when equipped with the newer DB 605B engines.

Meanwhile the various German allies were more than happy with the plane in its current state, and Hungary purchased several of the unfinished airframes and completed them in their own factories. They then went on to start production of their own, known as the 210C with the DB 605B engine, under an agreement where the Luftwaffe got two of every three produced. The Luftwaffe started receiving their planes in April 1943, but the Hungarians didn't get their own until 1944; however, when they did enter service they were more than happy with them. Production ended in March 1944, when the factory switched over the produce Me 109G. By that time, a total of 267 Me 210C had been built, 108 of them had been given to the Luftwaffe.

In practice, the Hungarian Me 210C were so superior to the German Me 210A, that it was planned to adopt its design refinements into a new Me 210D model, that was eventually developed into the Messerschmitt Me 410.

In last days of war,Japanese Army ordered the design of one Anti tank/ strike land airplane.these specifications are followed by Rikugun/Kokukosho Company,why used the Messerschmitt Me 210 A-2(with caracteristiques of Me 410 A-2 modifications) prototype for designed the Rikugun Kokukosho Ki-93 five blade,twin engined and Anti tank/Ground Attacker aircraft.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_210

Role Heavy fighter
Crew two, pilot and gunner
Dimensions
Length 40 ft 3in 9.83 m
Wingspan 53 ft 1 1/4in 13.72 m
Height 14 ft 1/2in
Wing area 390 ft² 36.2 m²
Weights
Empty 12,000 lb 5,440 kg
Maximum take-off 17,857 lb 8100 kg
Powerplant
Engines 2 x Daimler-Benz DB 601F
Power 2 x 1,350 hp 2 x 993 kW
Performance
Maximum speed 385 mph 620 km/h
Combat range 1,491 mi 2400 km
Ferry range
Service ceiling 22,967 ft 7,000 m
Armament
Guns 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20
2 x 7,92 mm MG 17
2 x 13 mm MG 131 for defense
Bombs 2,200 lb 1000 kg

 

[CharlesBronson]

Excuse me, but I never wrote that this twin engined plane was actually a Me-210. I dont try to cheat anybody.

It is a preliminary design, one of the way of put the DB-601e engines, There was in the drawing boards also others configurations like a pull-push engine plane, other was with a DB-610 engine buried in the fuselage driving the propeller by a crankcase and a long shaft.

The pics I took from a website some years ago. I really dont remember the http, I have those saved to C for a while.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Even there was an AGO .. projekt to replace the Bf-110, check this:

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well I am sorry but I have never seen that. Are you sure that it did not come from some computer game website. They make up a lot of stuff for the Luftwaffe that enver existed.

The computer generated design that you have up there looks awefully like a Fw-189V1-b and V-6 which was a modification of the Fw-189 reconaissance aircraft and originally to be a ground attack aircraft before it became what we know of today. It even had rear firing weapons like your picture up there. Instead of the large glass cockpit and the glass cone in the back of the fuselage it had a 2 seats for a pilot and a gunner. The cockpit was armoured and had rear firing guns in a turret. The characteristes as a ground attack aircraft were poor however because the aircraft was too heavy and crew visability was horrible. Test flights were made on the aircraft but it never entered production.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Are you sure that it did not come from some computer game website. They make up a lot of stuff for the Luftwaffe that enver existed.

No, I dont think so. Aniway is a nice pic.

 

[Erich]

CB every one of the "OLD" profile publications profiles is inaccurate. the biggest mistake is the camo on the 5cm bk 5 long rod Me 410....red/white spinners.............no way.

arg too many memories, I think I own every German a/c profile made

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

and i'm guessing that's quite a few

 

[lesofprimus]

MR. REASEARCH-BOY has so much info he stacks it all around his office... He probably has the answer to the great Jimmy Hoffa Question sitting in a pile on the desk......

Dont u erich???

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

wow, i never notised Erich was one of you admin boys........

 

[CharlesBronson]

CB every one of the "OLD" profile publications profiles is inaccurate

That is enough....I am making an asado ( BBQ) with all my "Proifle" books right now..¡¡. Those bad profiles are burning ¡¡

 

[CharlesBronson]

Lets see with this profiles, ( I am only hope dont get kicked by Erich )

Bf 109G-4, 13./JG 52, Anapa (Russia) April 1943,
pilot Jan Gerthofer (26 v.)

Bf 109G-4 W. Nr. 19347, 13. (Slovak)/JG 52, Anapa (Russia) April 1943, pilot Jan Reznak (32 v. - top-scoring Slovak fighter ace of WW2)

Bf 109G-6/R6 of 3./JG300

 

[Rafe35]

I think "Franz / Fredrick" aka Bf 109F is the first best variant for Bf 109 fighter and second best would be for "Gustav" aka Bf 109G.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I will agree with you that that Bf-109F was probably the best pure 109. The main problem she had was that she was under armed. This was quickely fixed with the 109G which happens to be my favorite.