The Best Fighter pre 1970

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  1. General Pain

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    I am looking for the best fighter aircraft pre 1970

    1 interceptor
    1 dogfight
    1 ground attack
     
  2. 102first_hussars

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    EE Lighting Interceptor

    F4 Phantom/Mig-21 dogfighter

    A4 Skyhawk Attacker
     
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    syscom3 Pacific Historian

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    EE Lightning

    Mirage F1

    A4 Skyhawk
     
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    Lightning = Interceptor

    Hunter = Dogfighter

    F4 = Ground Attack
     
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    F104 - interceptor
    MIG 17 - dogfight
    A4 - ground attack
     
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    Interceptor - Lightning II
    Dogfight - MiG 21
    Ground Attack - A4 Skyhawk.
     
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    The f104 an excellent delivery platform due to its high wing loading not a knife fighter dogfighter but boom and zoom . In the 12 years the 104 was at Red Flag not one was lost in the simulated combats what else needs to be said
     
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    Good to know that.

    The job of an interceptor is to engage the enemy as far from their target as possible. In that capacity, all you need is speed, high ceiling, range, good rate of climb and a strong weapons system.

    The F-104 was flawed but it did the job it was designed to do.
     
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    I pretty much agree with Glider.

    It's a shame the Lightning was never forced to dogfight; sit on its tail and climb to the stars, then come roaring down like ...well, lightning.

    Initial rate of climb; 50,000 feet
    Ceiling 60,000 feet
    Speed Mach 2.3

    All official ... not true figures. The Lightning bounced U-2s... an 11 Sqdn. pilot recently declared he took an unmodified Lightning to 88,000 feet and felt it could keep climbing. Lightning T.5 beat the F-15 to 30,000 feet...
     
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    I must correct my statement not one was lost I Red Flag while performing its role as strike aircraft . but had kills as it would "pop out of the weeds " while going a good clip and pull a snap shot.
     
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    Yep, I would choose the same.
     
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    Been thinking about this and I have decided to put the Gnat up as a dogfighter.
    Sure as hell isn't an interceptor or GA, but as a dogfighter it would take some beating
     
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    I've seen a few times the mention of the Hunter as a dogfighter, when and where was it used in a dogfight situation and what was it's kill/loss ratio?
     
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    I flew an A-4 against a Hunter a long time ago, and we had gun camera
    footage after each sortie. What I remember is that the Hunter's pipper was
    not only always on my aircraft, it was steady on my cockpit, and it was
    quite humbling. For pure classic dogfight, I am leaning towards the Hunter.
    F-106 for intercepter, my beloved Scooter for attack.
     
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    Dogfighter? Mig-19. Highly maneuverable with a lot of power, 2 engies to boot. Pakistan put Martin baker seats in their and armed them with sidewinders.
     
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    No one has mentioned the F-8 Crusader...
     

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    1 Interceptor: F104 Starfighter
    1 Dogfight: F-8 Crusader
    1 Ground Attack: A-1 Skyraider
     
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    Noticed a few listed F4 for a air to mud fighter. Not what I hear. Have a friend that flew 150 FAC missions in Viet Nam and he said they were not noted for their bombing accuracy. Also read a book about A1s flying out of Thailand and the author said the F4s were notorious for their inaccuacy in bombing. Said the most proficent was the F105.
     
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    I would also vote for the F8 as the top dogfighter.
     
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