The Best Fw-190 Variant...?

[KraziKanuK]

is this where you got the list from? http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm

A good Focke-Wulf site. Bookie is Andrew Arthy of Focke-Wulf Fw190 in North Africa ISBN 1-903223-45-8

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes, i also have it in several books of mine about the 190.

 

[CharlesBronson]

That a pretty nice comprehensive overview of the Fw-190. Good job!

That is all about

Another pictures of a D-11, absolutly beatiful plane.

 

[Erich]

toadd what is already a NO

there was NO A6/R11

NO A7/R6 and in fact only A-7 and A-7/MK or R2 designation was produced for this variant

NO A-8/R1 or R3, R6, R7 or R12 on ops.

NO A-9/R1, R3, R6, and in fact just like the A-7's there was only the A-9 fighter and all weather A-9/R11 that my cousin flew on operations....also A-9/R2 with outboard 3cm Mk 108's. The Mk 103 long rods were never used on any operations with any variant.

Bookies site is ok and I have given him a turck load of info in the pat on the Würger....

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have actually read some sources on some of these, now the validity of them I am not sure. Some of my sources say they did not exist as you say Erich and some actually give some info on them.

Fw-190A6/R11

All weather and night fighter. Some planes were equipped with FuG 217 Neptun J-2 radar.
http://www.jg2.org/plane_descriptions/fw190a6.htm

The majority of A-6s were deployed in the West in Defence of the Reich missions against Allied bomber formations, with some finding there way to Nachtjäger (night fighter) units defending against nocturnal RAF bomber attacks. Some A-6 nachtjägers were equipped with FuG 217 Neptun radar (the R11 Rüstsätze, or field conversion) to help pilots locate bombers in the dark. During 1944 the single-engined night fighters were gradually replaced by twin-engine radar equipped aircraft like the Ju.88G and Bf110G.
http://www.kitparade.com/features00/fw190a6ir_1.htm

Fw 190A-6/R11 - all weather and night fighter, with anti-reflection strips, landing light, autopilot device PKS 12 and heated windscreen windows.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/fw190.html


Other then that the the only varients of the A-6 that I know of are these:

Fw 190A-6/U3 Fighter-bomber, fitted with one ETC 501 underfuselage rack and 2 × ETC 250 underwing racks for a max load of 1 × 1,102 lb (500 kg) SC-500 and 2 × 551 lb (250 kg) SC-250 bombs or 2 × 66 Imp gal (79.25 US gal; 300 liter) drop tank for additional range.

Fw 190A-6/R1 Bomber-destroyer, armed with 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon and 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns, with an additional 4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in two WB 151A twin-gun containers scabbed under the wings.

Fw 190A-6/R2 Bomber-destroyer,armed with 2 × fixed 30 mm MK 108 cannon in the outboard wing positions, 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in the inboard wing positions, and 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns on the upper nose. Max take-off weight was 10,362 lb (4.700 kg).

Fw 190A-6/R3 Bomber-destroyer, armed with 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns, supplemented by 2 × 30 mm MK 103 cannon in underwing gondolas.

Fw 190A-6/R4 Fighter, produced only in prototype form as the Fw 190 V45, and fitted with the GM 1 power-boost system that injected nitrous oxide into the BMW 801D-2. This fighter was the forerunner for the BMW 801TS turbocharged engine that was installed in July 1944.

Fw 190A-6/R6 Bomber-destroyer, fitted with two underwing launchers for 8.27 in (21 cm) WGr.21 rockets.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html

Fw-190A-7/R6

I have actually only found 3 Rustsatze made to it and only about 70 to 80 A-7's built:

There is evidence that this particular plane was used for dog fighting with allied fighters. There is no information about the number of A-7 planes with this equipment. Probably it was a field modification performed on the pilots' or Staffel staff's request. Apart from standard A-7 models there were three modification kits (Rustsatz) provided : R1, R2, R3.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/fw190.html

One source does list a R6 with the other 3:

Fw 190A-7/R1 Bomber-destroyer, armed with 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon and 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns, with an additional 4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in two WB 151A twin-gun containers scabbed under the wings.

Fw 190A-7/R2 Bomber-destroyer,armed with 2 × fixed 30 mm MK 108 cannon in the outboard wing positions, 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in the inboard wing positions, and 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns on the upper nose. Max take-off weight was 9,215 lb (4.180 kg).

Fw 190A-7/R3 Bomber-destroyer, armed with 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17 guns, supplemented by 2 × 30 mm MK 103 cannon in underwing gondolas. Max take-off weight was 9,039 lb (4.100 kg).

Fw 190A-7/R6 Bomber-destroyer, fitted with two underwing launchers for 8.27 in (21 cm) WGr.21 rockets.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html

Fw-190A-8/R-1, or R3, R6, R7 or R12 on ops:

The Fw 190A-8, like previous models, could be equipped with different Rustsatz kits: R1, R2, R3, R4, R6, R7, R8, R11, R12; but R1, R3 and R4 were abandoned shortly thereafter and generally R2, R6, R7 and R8 kits were used. Some of the R11 and R12 modifications produced in small quantities had small differences in the equipment (e.g. MG 131 machine guns tube was covered by a plate for reflection limitation, some got more the more efficient BMW 801 TU engines and FuG 125 Hermine radio navigation device). The variant with radar most often had a FuG 218 Neptune J-3 device.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/fw190.html

Fw-190A-9

I too have not found anything other than the original disputed souce to confirm this.

As a matter of fact all of these sources can be disputed.

 

[Erich]

lets go back here.

The A-6/R11 was a night fighter not a dirty weather fighter and the correct designation was A-6/N with FuG 217 flown by 1./NJGr 10 and II./JG 300 units

There were no A-7's with underwing rocket mortars

There was defiantely NO A variant with Mk 103's used for bomber destroying neither the A-6/R1 with twin 2cm's. It was an A-5 variant used by JG 1 and JG 11, a friend of the familie flew one in 1943 until shot down and killed over the North sea chasing a B-17.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well then there are a lot of incorrect sources out there.

 

[Erich]

and it all stems from the bogus Wiliam Green Warplanes of the third reich back in the 1960's.

I have made attempts to correct and yes there were prototypes of all variants but not all flew on operations nor sent to operative units.

Loss reports from the Jagdgeschwaders also point this out very clearly

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[Anonymous]

Is it not possible that Erich refers to production units where some sources included field kit installations?

 

[CharlesBronson]

This is an R-11 or what ?

 

[Erich]

Actually I am going over the losses and it appears as to what I have mentioned is quite true. The A-5 variant with the underwing 2cm's besdies the inboard 2cm's was the A-5/U12 and was used in the summer of 43 till May of 44 when the A-7 and A-8 varinats took over.

A-7/R2's or MK's were in JG 1 and JG 11 along with several R-6 4's whatever that was. That precise designation was apllied in the late winter-very early spring to lost A-7.s

C.B. where did you get those funny looking profiles ?

Yes that is suppose to be Fritz E. Krauses 1./NJGr 10 A-6/N, the a/c is overall light blue-grey. the wappenshiled is white not yellow. FuG 217 aeirals along the fuselage and on the wings. I or someone else posted a foto of him and the machine elsewhere on the forums

He never received the RK but Hans Krause did while flying Bf 110G-4's in NJG 101 and later in NJG 4 flying the great Ju 88G-6.

Ehlers a/c is also bogus the camo is all wrong, and the red rumpfband is a wide red band

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[Erich]

to point out some particulars from friend Herr Krause

 

[CharlesBronson]

I have those save to hard disk for some time, i really dont remember wich site I took from.

Incidentally, I had posted some information and pictures of this plane wich ( according to your sources) was wrong also.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1082&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

 

[Erich]

I was wrong ? what source that I use that was wrong CB ? I'd like to know to correct it. The machine was flown by Fritz Krause not by RK winner Hans Krause. Fritz flew the a/c in the summer of 44 and then it was moved out to be replaced by the more nimble and faster Bf 109G-6/AS units and the Fw's were either given away to other field units or several kept as hacks....

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[Erich]

CB sorry had to re-read your statement..........I have had severe insomnia now for over a month

 

[CharlesBronson]

Not uncommon at your age

 

[Anonymous]

CB sorry had to re-read your statement..........I have had severe insomnia now for over a month

You might want to try Sleepy-Time Tea - worked for my sister. Also, you might try cooling down your bedroom - almost everyone sleeps better in a colder room.

If that doesn't work, get a script for Restril or another sleeping pill. Lack of sleep can seriously effect your health, especially for older people who often suffer from insomnia.


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Lunatic

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

and it all stems from the bogus Wiliam Green Warplanes of the third reich back in the 1960's.

I have made attempts to correct and yes there were prototypes of all variants but not all flew on operations nor sent to operative units.

Loss reports from the Jagdgeschwaders also point this out very clearly

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Yeah that is pretty much what I said up there. That most of them were just prototypes and many of them like those that had a NO next to them never left the drawing board or atleast did not reach operational status.

 

[CharlesBronson]

This week in history: About 60 years ( and two days) ago, the FW-190 last victory in East:

Scaned from Osprey book.

 

[Erich]

the Luftwaffe ace is question was Gerhard Thyben