The Best Fw-190 Variant...?

[Anonymous]

I believe the standard armament of the D-12 was two MG151/20's in the wing roots and one MK108 firing through the prop hub - I would assume the D-13 would be the same but???

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Fw-190D-12 was fitted with a fixed armament of 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots and 1 × 30 mm MK 108 cannon between the cylinder banks of the engine. A sheathing of armor was designed and installed to protect it from anti-aircraft fire during low-level missions.

Fw-190D-13

Not sure on accuracy of this source though.

The Focke-Wulf Fw-190D-13 was "the ultimate Dora," in that it was the final development of the basic Focke-Wulf fighter to see operational service, with at least one example serving with JG26 during the final month of the war. Powered by the same Jumo 213E engine that was used by the Ta-152H and Fw-190D-11, the Fw-190D-13 was armed with one 20mm motorkannon and two MG151 20mm cannon in the wingroots.

Major Franz Goetz, last Geschwader Kommodore of JG26, flew the Fw-190D-13 during April, 1945, marked as "Yellow 10," his "lucky number" during his career as a 67-victory experte with JG53. He scored no victories with the airplane, as the unit only made five combat sorties during that month.

Goetz's Dora would end up having one of the most interesting existences of any airplane to survive the war. It was among several Fw-190D aircraft gathered after the war and shipped to the United States for evaluation. It could well be the "slightly different long-nose Focke-Wulf" famed test pilot Chuck Yeager recalls having flown at Wright-Patterson immediately after the war when he was a member of the Army Air Force evaluation team testing captured enemy aircraft.

By 1946, further testing was moot, and the Fw-190D-13 was flown to Freeman Field, Indiana, where many other captured aircraft were awaiting disposition. It was apparently disassembled here. Later that year, a request was made by promoters of an air show in Atlanta, Georgia, for the Air Force to provide some captured aircraft for display, at the same time the Air Force had decided to save a long-nose Focke-Wulf for eventual display at the Air Force Museum. The Fw-190D-13 and an Fw-190D-9 were reassembled for these events. At the time, no one paid attention to the fact that the wing of the Fw-190D-13 was attached to the fuselage of the Fw-190D-9, and vice-versa. After the show in Atlanta, the Fw-190D-13 was left where it was. It was later purchased by a collector, who disassembled it and stored it in a vacant lot outside Atlanta while he came up with a way to restore it. In the 1960s, the airplane was recognized for the rare item it was - though not for how rare a Dora it was - and was eventually purchased by Doug Champlin. The airplane was restored in Germany in the 1970s, allegedly to "flight status," though it was announced it would not be flown due to its rarity. According to Ed Maloney and Steve Hinton from the Chino Air Museum, the airplane is in no way flyable, due to the poor quality of the work done in the restoration. If one looks at pictures of this airplane in the Squadron in the "Fw-190D-9 Walkaround" book, it is immediately apparent that many of the parts - such as the supercharger intake - bear little resemblance to an operational piece of gear.

The good news is that - later this year - the Air Force Museum and Doug Champlin are going to swap wings on their respective Doras, so that the aircraft can be accurately restored as an Fw-190D-9 and an Fw-190D-13. Fortunately, it has already been determined that the airplane will not under any circumstances be flown, regardless of what is done during the restoration.
http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/luft/cleaverd13.htm

 

[CharlesBronson]

Thanks boys.

So this is the only operational D-13, nice.

 

[Erich]

............... maybe ................

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Exactly maybe, as I said the validity of my source is uncertain.

 

[Erich]

I do not want to say much at all on this topic on the Doras as Jerry Crandall will cover the a/c types in his book on the Dora with much new information. Granted, D-9's, D-11's and D-13's were in action and with several units : JG 2, JG 3, JG 4, JG 6, JG 11, JG 26-JG 54, JG 51, JG 301, protection unit Würger Staffel, and others....

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I did not think the D-13's were used that extensivley, Wow

 

[Erich]

they wern't. The Dora 9 was commonly used along with some D-11's

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That is what I thought.

 

[CharlesBronson]

A little more on Doras.

The Fw 190D-10 was an experimental version of the D-9 with an engine-mounted MK 108 cannon and two MG 151 cannon in the wing roots. Only two of these were built.

The Fw 190D-11 was powered by the Jumo 213F with MW 50 boost. The fuselage-mounted guns were eliminated, and there were two MG 151s in the wing roots and two MK 108s in the outer wings. Only seven prototypes were built.

The Fw 190D-12 was a fighter-bomber variant, which differed from the D-9 by having a three-stage supercharged Jumo 213F-1 engine rated at 2060 hp for takeoff mounted in a new, more extensively armored cowling. Armament was one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon and two 20-mm MG 151s in the wing roots. Although primarily a ground-attack plane, the D-12 also made an effective fighter and could attain 730 km/h at 37,000 feet when MW 50 boost was used. Production began in March 1945 at the Arado and Fieseler plants, but only a few were delivered.

The D-13 differed from the D-12 by having a Jumo 213EB engine and by having a 20-mm engine-mounted MG 151 cannon in place of the 30-mm MK 108 unit. However, only a couple of prototypes were built.

 

[Erich]

D-11's were sent to operative units. not real sure about D-12's though we can assume that Rüdel and a few othere ground attack aces probably flew them

 

[CharlesBronson]

D-12 or maybe D-9s.

 

[Erich]

remember that during Unternehmen Bodenplatte on 1-1-45 that Dora units such as JG 2 had their D-9's bombed up to tackle Allied airifields as did JG 6's Dora 9's.

 

[KraziKanuK]

Charles,

the Jumo 213F had a 2 stage, 3 speed supercharger. The first 200 engines had the 3rd gear blocked off. It developed 2100hp with MW50. MW50 use was good to 6km.

From a Fw performance graph, the D-12 did 695kph @ 10.5km using the 213E engine. Another graph with the 213F had the D-12 doing 725kph @ 31,000ft.

ref. Hermann's "Long Nose" book.

Can you elaberate on the 'more extensively armored cowling'.

You sure about the D-12 being a ground attack a/c? I have the D-11 being so with the D-12 being a high altitude fighter.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

From what I got the D-10 was never built, and the D-11 only had 7 prototypes built. I do believe that the 7 prototypes did see service toward the end of the war and maybe even Bodenplatte. I think the D-12 was ground attack. All of my sources atleast say so.

The Fw 190D-12 was the definitive ground attack fighter. It was powered by 1 × Jumo 213F, rated at 1,750 hp (1.305 kW) for take-off or 2,060 hp (1.536 kW) with the MW HD high-pressure methanol/water power-boost system. It had a three-stage supercharger, was fitted with a fixed armament of 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots and 1 × 30 mm MK 108 cannon between the cylinder banks of the engine. A sheathing of armor was designed and installed to protect it from anti-aircraft fire during low-level missions.
None of these aircraft were used operationally, probably because of a lack of fuel.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html

Here is another list of the Fw-190 varients:

By the end of World War II, hundreds of versions of the FW 190 and Ta 152 family had appeared, and within these tables I have identified over 150 different designations. It must be noted that some of these variants were very similar (e.g. installation of a different type of radio resulted in a new designation for an FW 190).

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FW 190 A, B, C, D and E

Variant Entered Service Role/Remarks Sources

FW 190 A-0 No Pre-Production Fighter Rodeike, p.22
FW 190 A-0/U1 No FW 190 V5 and V6, small wing, BMW 801 C-0 or C-1, four MG 17, FuG VIIa Rodeike, pp.26-27
FW 190 A-0/U2 No Small wing, BMW 801 C-0, C-1 or D, two MG 17, two MG 131, FuG VIIa Rodeike, p.27
FW 190 A-0/U3 No Large wing, BMW 801 C-0 or C-1, four MG 17, two MG FF/M, FuG VIIa XXV Rodeike, pp.26-27
FW 190 A-0/U4 No BMW 801 C-0 or C-1, four MG 17, two MG FF/M, FuG VIIa, ETC 501 bomb rack Rodeike, pp.26-27
FW 190 A-0/U5 No BMW 801 C-0 or C-1, two MG 17, two MG 151/20, FuG VIIa Rodeike, pp.26-27
FW 190 A-0/U6 No Not built, Wright engine Rodeike, pp.26-27
FW 190 A-0/U10 No BMW 801 C-1, two MG 17, two MG FF-G2, two MG 151/20, FuG VIIa Rodeike, p.27
FW 190 A-0/U11 No BMW 801 C-1, four MG 17, two MG FF/M, FuG VIIa Rodeike, p.27
FW 190 A-1 08.41 Fighter, BMW 801 C-1, FuG VIIa, FuG 25, four MG 17, two MG FF/M Rodeike, pp. 28 55
FW 190 A-1/U1 New Engine - BMW 801 D-2
FW 190 A-2 Fighter, BMW 801 C-1 or C-2 Rodeike, p.56
FW 190 A-2/U1 Auto Pilot Equipment
FW 190 A-3 Fighter
FW 190 Aa-3 .42 Fighter for Turkey
FW 190 A-3/U2 Underwing RZ 65 AT rockets
FW 190 A-3/U4 01.43 Recon fighter with two Rb 12.5/7 x 9 cameras
FW 190 A-3/U7 09.42 Light-weight high-altitude fighter
FW 190 A-4 08.42 Fighter
FW 190 A-4 Trop 12.42 Tropicalised fighter and fighter-bomber
FW 190 A-4/U3 03.43 Fighter-bomber with ETC 501 bomb-rack; later re-designated FW 190 F-1
FW 190 A-4/U4 Reconnaissance fighter with two R 12.5/7 x 9 cameras
FW 190 A-4/U8 04.43 Fighter-bomber with underwing drop tanks; later re-designated FW 190 G-1
FW 190 A-4/R1 Fighter with FuG 16ZE radio
FW 190 A-4/R6 Fighter with two WGr.21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-5 01.43 Fighter
FW 190 A-5/y 06.43
FW 190 A-5/U1 03.43 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 A-5/U3 03.43 Fighter-bomber with ETC 501; later re-designated FW 190 F-2
FW 190 A-5/U4 Reconnaissance
FW 190 A-5/U7 Two external MK 103 30 mm cannon or two internal MK 108 30mm cannon
FW 190 A-5/U8 03.43 Fighter-bomber with underwing racks; later re-designated FW 190 G-2
FW 190 A-5/U9 Basis for A-7
FW 190 A-5/U10 Several armament test beds produced by AGO, basis for FW 190 A-6
FW 190 A-5/U11 Bomber-destroyer with external/internal mountings of MK 103/108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-5/U12 06.43 Two underwing WB 151 containers holding two MG 151 20 mm cannon each
FW 190 A-5/U13 Fighter-bomber, served as prototype for G-series
FW 190 A-5/U14 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 A-5/U15 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 A-5/U16 Bomber-destroyer with wing mounted MK 103/108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-5/U17 Fighter-bomber with ETC 501 bomb-rack, prototype for FW 190 F-3
FW 190 A-5/R1 FuG 16ZE radio
FW 190 A-5/R6 03.44 Two WGr 21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-6 06.43 Fighter
FW 190 A-6/R1 Two underwing WB 151 containers with four MG 151 20 mm cannon
FW 190 A-6/R2 Bomber-destroyer with two outboard MK 108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-6/R3 Bomber-destroyer with two MK 103 30 mm cannon in underwing pods
FW 190 A-6/R4 BMW 801 TS
FW 190 A-6/R6 01.44 Two WGr 21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-6/R11 Night-fighter
FW 190 A-7 12.43 Fighter
FW 190 A-7/R1 03.44 Two underwing WB 151 containers with four MG 151 20 mm cannon
FW 190 A-7/R2 03.44 Bomber-destroyer with two outboard MK 108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-7/R3 Bomber-destroyer with two underwing MK 103 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-7/R4 Bomber-destroyer
FW 190 A-7/R6 01.44 Two WGr 21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-8 03.44 Fighter
FW 190 A-8/U1 Two-seat trainer and high-speed liason aircraft
FW 190 A-8/U3 Upper component of Mistel
FW 190 A-8/U11 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 A-8/R1 Two underwing WB 151 containers with four MG 151 20 mm cannon
FW 190 A-8/R2 04.44 Bomber-destroyer with two outboard MK 108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-8/R3 Bomber-destroyer with two underwing MK 103 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-8/R4 12.44 BMW 801 TS and engine boosting system
FW 190 A-8/R5 Engine boosting system
FW 190 A-8/R6 04.44 Two WGr 21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-8/R7 Sturmjäger with additional internal and external armour plating
FW 190 A-8/R8 .44 Sturmjäger with additional internal and external armour plating
and outboard MK 103 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-8/R11 Dirty weather fighter with BMW 801 TU/TS
FW 190 A-8/R12 Combination of R2 and R11 with BMW 801 D-2
FW 190 A-8D/NL Higher emergency power
FW 190 A-9 09.44 Fighter
FW 190 A-9/R1 Two underwing WB 151 containers with four MG 151 20 mm cannon
FW 190 A-9/R2 Bomber-destroyer with two outboard MK 108 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-9/R3 Bomber-destroyer with two underwing MK 103 30 mm cannon
FW 190 A-9/R4 BMW 801 TS and engine boosting system
FW 190 A-9/R6 09.44 Two WGr 21 underwing rocket launchers
FW 190 A-9/R11 Dirty weather fighter BMW 801 TS
FW 190 A-9/R12 Combination of R2 and R11
FW 190 A-10 No Jabo with BMW 801 TS/TH
FW 190 B-0 No Proposed high-altitude fighter
FW 190 B-1 No Proposed high-altitude fighter
FW 190 C-0 No Proposed high-altitude fighter
FW 190 D-0 No Pre-production FW 190 D-9
FW 190 D-9 09.44 Fighter
FW 190 D-9/R11 Dirty weather fighter with FuG 125 radio
FW 190 D-10 No Fighter
FW 190 D-11 Fighter
FW 190 D-11/R20 PKS 12 radio
FW 190 D-11/R21 FuG 125 radio
FW 190 D-12 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 D-12/R5 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 D-12/R11 Dirty weather fighter
FW 190 D-12/R21 MW 50 injection
FW 190 D-12/R25 Jumo 213EB
FW 190 D-13 .45 Fighter
FW 190 D-13/R5 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 D-13/R11 Dirty weather fighter
FW 190 D-13/R21 MW 50 injection
FW 190 D-13/R25 Jumo 213EB
FW 190 D-14 No Fighter converted from D-9 and D-12
FW 190 D-15 No Fighter with DB 603
FW 190 E No Proposed reconnaissance aircraft



FW 190 F, G, H, and S FW 190 F-1 03.44 Re-designated FW 190 A-4/U3 fighter-bombers
FW 190 F-2 10.43 Re-designated FW 190 A-5/U3 fighter-bombers with ER 4 bomb-rack
FW 190 F-3 05.43 Fighter-bomber with underwing ETC 250 bomb-racks
FW 190 F-3/R1 Simplified bomb-release gear
FW 190 F-3/R3 Two underwing MK 103 30 mm cannon
FW 190 F-4 No Cancelled fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-5 No Cancelled fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-6 No Cancelled fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-7 No Proposed fighter-bomber with fuselage MG 131 13 mm machine-guns
FW 190 F-8 04.44 Fighter-bomber based on A-8
FW 190 F-8/U1 Two-seat trainer
FW 190 F-8/U2 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/U3 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/U4 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/U5 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/U14 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/U15 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-8/R1 05.44 Four ETC 50 underwing bomb racks
FW 190 F-8/R2 Two MK 108 30 mm cannon in underwing pods
FW 190 F-8/R3 Two MK 103 30 mm cannon in underwing pods
FW 190 F-8/R5 Long-range version of F-8/R3
FW 190 F-8/R8
FW 190 F-8/R11
FW 190 F-8/R13 Night fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-8/R14 Torpedo-bomber with BMW 801 TU
FW 190 F-8/R15 Torpedo-bomber with BMW 801 D-2
FW 190 F-8/R16 Torpedo-bomber
FW 190 F-9 .45 Fighter bomber, armoured version of A-9 with BMW 801 TS
FW 190 F-10 No Unbuilt fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-11 No Unbuilt fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-12 No Unbuilt fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-13 No Unbuilt fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-14 No Unbuilt fighter-bomber
FW 190 F-15 Fighter-bomber entering production in May 1945
FW 190 F-16 Fighter-bomber with more armour
FW 190 F-16/R14 Proposed torpedo-bomber with BMW 801 TJ
FW 190 G-0 No Pre-production fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-1 01.44 Re-designated FW 190 A-4/U8 fighter-bomber with Junkers bomb-rack
FW 190 G-2 10.43 Re-designated FW 190 A-4/U8 fighter-bomber with Messerschmitt bomb-rack
FW 190 G-2/N Night fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-3 10.43 Fighter-bomber with Focke-Wulf bomb-rack
FW 190 G-3/w 11.43 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-3 Trop Tropicalised fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-3/R5 Four Fragmentation bombs carried under wings
FW 190 G-3/N Night fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-4 Fighter-bomber with three ETC 503 bomb-racks
FW 190 G-4 Trop Tropicalised fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-5 No Planned fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-6 No Planned fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-7 No Planned fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-8 03.44 Fighter-bomber based on A-8
FW 190 G-8/R1 05.44 Fighter-bomber
FW 190 G-8/R4 Fighter-bomber with GM 1 nitrous-oxide power-boost system
FW 190 G-8/R5 03.44 Fighter-bomber with BMW 801 TU
FW 190 G-9 No Planned fighter-bomber with BMW 801 F
FW 190 G-10 No Planned fighter-bomber with BMW 801 F
FW 190 H-1 No Proposed high-altitude fighter
FW 190 S-5 Two-seat trainer
FW 190 S-8 Two-seat trainer



Ta 152
Ta 152 A-1 No Fighter with FuG 24 radio
Ta 152 A-2 No Fighter with FuG 24 radio
Ta 152 B-1 No Proposed fighter
Ta 152 B-2 No Proposed fighter
Ta 152 B-3 No Armoured fighter-bomber
Ta 152 B-4 No Fighter
Ta 152 B-4/R1 No Two machine-gun, two cannon
Ta 152 B-4/R2 No Five cannon
Ta 152 B-5 No Ta 152 V53
Ta 152 B-5/R11 No Ta 152 V19, V20 V21
Ta 152 C-0 Short wing-span fighter
Ta 152 C-1 Short wing-span fighter
Ta 152 C-2 Short wing-span fighter with improved radio equipment
Ta 152 C-3 Short wing-span fighter with revised armament
Ta 152 E-2 No Reconnaissance
Ta 152 H-0 Pre-production fighter
Ta 152 H-0/R11 Fighter with engine boost
Ta 152 H-0/R21 Fighter with engine boost
Ta 152 H-0/R31 Fighter with engine boost
Ta 152 H-1 .45 Fighter
Ta 152 S-1 No Two-seat trainer



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Abbreviations
The U in a designation like FW 190 A-5/U8 stands for Umrüst Bausätze
The R in a designation like FW 190 A-4/R6 stands for Rüstsätze

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Here is some info on the Jumo 213

Junkers Jumo 213

The Jumo 213 was a World War II-era V-12 liquid cooled aircraft engine, a development of Junkers Motoren's earlier design, the Jumo 211. The design added two features, a pressurized cooling system that required considerably less cooling fluid that allowed the engine to be built smaller, and a number of improvements that allowed it to run at higher RPM. Although these changes sound fairly minor, they boosted power by over 500 hp, making it one of the most sought-after engine designs in the late-war era.

When the Jumo 211 entered production in the late 1930s it used a normal liquid cooling system based on an "open cycle". Water was pumped through the engine to keep it cool, but the system as a whole operated at outside air pressure, or slightly greater. Since the boiling point of water is effected by pressure, this meant that as the aircraft climbed the temperature of the cooling water had to be kept quite low to avoid boiling. This meant that the water removed little heat from the engine before having to be move to the radiator to cool it. In contrast, the Daimler-Benz DB 601 used a pressurized system that ran at the same pressure at all altitudes, and actually had a boiling point of about 110°C. This allowed it to use considerably less water, and the engine itself to be smaller. Although otherwise similar in most respects, the 601 was smaller and lighter than the 211, making it popular in fighter designs. The 211 was relegated to "secondary" roles in bombers and transports.

Junkers was not happy with this state of affairs, and started their own efforts to produce a pressurized cooling system as early as 1938. Experiments on the 211 proved so successful that it became clear that not only could the engine be built smaller, but could be run at higher power settings without overheating. Additional changes to strengthen the crankshaft, add a fully-shrouded supercharger for increased boost resulted in the Jumo 211F model, which delivered 1,400 hp at 2,400 RPM, up from 950 hp at 2,200 RPM.

But this was only the beginning. After redesigning the engine casing to a smaller size to suit the increased cooling power, increasing boost settings on the supercharger the new 213A model was able to deliver a whopping 1,750 PS (metric hp) at 3,250 RPM.

Specifications

Configuration: Twelve-cylinder inverted-Vee liquid-cooled (pressurized water up to 120°C)
Bore by stroke: 150 by 165 mm
Displacement: 35 litres
Compression ratio: 6.5:1 (B4 fuel, 87 octane)
Power: 1,750 PS (1287 kW) at 3,250 rpm for takeoff
Supercharger: Two-stage (213A,C), three-stage two-speed (213E)
Rated altitude: 6,000 m (213A,C), 9,600 m (213E)
Dimensions: Length: 2.266 m
Weight: 920 kg (213A,C), 940 kg (213E)

Jumo 213 versions
213A: First version, 1,750 PS (2,100 PS with MW50 boost) take-off power
213B: Project, a 213A with C3 fuel (100 octane) and up to 2,000 PS take-off power
213C: Optimized 213A, re-arranging of secondary equipment allowed mounting of a cannon firing through the propeller axis
213E: High altitude version of 213A with 1,750 PS (2,050 PS with MW50 boost) take-off power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_213

 

[cheddar cheese]

That a pretty nice comprehensive overview of the Fw-190. Good job!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I try my best! MUHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[KraziKanuK]

DerAdler,

you relize that not all those variants were produced, some being only paper designs.

Kurt Tank's bio says the D-12 was a high altitude fighter. This fits very nicely since a 2st/3sp engine was used.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes I know. If you look at the list I posted if there is no date next to the design (that ist the date that it entered service as stated in the post) it will say No and that No means that it never entered service as it says in the post.