Clayton Magnet
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- Feb 16, 2013
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Agreed. I have worked in aviation for some 25 years now, and it has been my experience that pilots are often some of the LAST people you want explaining anything about their aircraft.That this Greg is a pilot is nice, so are many here, I was too at one time, that does NOT make me an expert on everything aero related
Agreed. I have worked in aviation for some 25 years now, and it has been my experience that pilots are often some of the LAST people you want explaining anything about their aircraft.
Anecdotal story, so it isn't worth anything, but I once watched an instructor pilot pre-flight and accept an aircraft that had its one and only propeller removed for maintenance. He was trained to look at all the specific things on a walk around, but obviously didn't really know what he was looking at. He was quite embarrassed, and rightfully so, when he realized why the journey log was in the maintenance office.
I am not trying to rag on pilots, as I am one myself, and this "Greg" seems to have an unusually high understanding of technical aspects, but ill defer to the actual experts in their respective fields for specifics.
I wish we still had my family's Cherokee, because: challenge accepted!Uh, speak for yourself. I'm a Piper Cherokee pilot, that makes me an expert P-47 and P-51 Ace. In fact I could tangle with @BiffF15 in an Eagle. In fact I might head down to the ramp, get in one, put a Twisted Sister tape in the cassette deck and show Doug Masters how its done.
I'll show myself the door now.
Much as I like a compliment, I think we should be clear here that the reason for the genial disagreement is simply that the overwhelming weight of primary archival evidence simply does not support the central assertion made in the video.I really don't think you understand how this all works.
Just because someone has XXX viewers of his videos does not make him an expert. Because he talks with authority and sounds like he knows the material inside and out does not mean he does.
Some terms you might familiarize yourself with before throwing shade on some of the denizens here:
Peer Review
Source Documents
Actual Aero Related Studies/Degrees
Industry Related Experience and/or Military Experience Related to a Specific Field
Source Documents
Peer Review
I put those last two in again because the people you are arguing with, specifically D Deleted member 68059 anddrgondog (Just to name two (2)) are experts in their respective disciplines. Why are they considered experts (and not just by us here)? See above.
You're not conversing with armchair experts here, these fellows have done the research of digging out facts to support whatever statement they choose to give. They have done the actual (hard) work it takes to make true written statements that can stand any light shone on them and still stand up as true.
That this Greg is a pilot is nice, so are many here, I was too at one time, that does NOT make me an expert on everything aero related. Far from it and I can point to an actual spot on the ground as my bona fides that attest to that fact.
Pardon the verbose response, I have a tendency to chunter on and it's a bad habit of mine. Apologies.
But dude you're arguing with the wrong people on the wrong subject in the wrong place at the wrong time.
At the risk of being contradictary, I believe Greg has absorbed a great deal of technical knowledge. I have taken him to task on several specifics that relate more to him not fully understanding all that he reads. I'm not the sharpest blade in the drawer, but in the 60's the 'powers that be' had not stooped to equity based degrees in Engineering, less so for MS. Greg doesn't present that level of knowledge in his dissertation despite having the Aerodynamics for Naval AviatorsAgreed. I have worked in aviation for some 25 years now, and it has been my experience that pilots are often some of the LAST people you want explaining anything about their aircraft.
Anecdotal story, so it isn't worth anything, but I once watched an instructor pilot pre-flight and accept an aircraft that had its one and only propeller removed for maintenance. He was trained to look at all the specific things on a walk around, but obviously didn't really know what he was looking at. He was quite embarrassed, and rightfully so, when he realized why the journey log was in the maintenance office.
I am not trying to rag on pilots, as I am one myself, and this "Greg" seems to have an unusually high understanding of technical aspects, but ill defer to the actual experts in their respective fields for specifics.
I have read about US formations being slowed to 120MPH by strong head winds which screws up everything including the bomb sight. On what is known as Battle of Britain day 15 Sept 1940 when Goering launched his attacks on London the RAF got huge assistance from the headwinds the L/W bombers were flying into. The Bf 110s had to lower flaps to stay with the bombers leaving them more vulnerable than the bombers. Not only did planes run out of fuel earlier because of the slow progress timing for the later waves was so screwed up that Bf109s supposed to take over had to return before they had anything to escort. In the first raid, bombers found themselves under attack without scort and dropped their bombs on Croydon, which is precisely 90 miles from Calais. It was not in any way a long range deep penetration raid but it was completely screwed by winds. I dont expect a member of the public in USA or UK to know this, but a historian who doesnt, isnt any type of aviation historian. But then, does an actual pilot have to be told about the effect of headwinds on an aircraft?In addition to the scenarios fro flawed understanding of CR, the other MAJOR factors were a.) Weather and b.) Winds aloft throughout the mission profile. With a 90 kt headwind, book CR 'will suffer',
I have read about US formations being slowed to 120MPH by strong head winds which screws up everything including the bomb sight. On what is known as Battle of Britain day 15 August 1940 when Goering launched his attacks on London the RAF got huge assistance from the headwinds the L/W bombers were flying into. The Bf 110s had to lower flaps to stay with the bombers leaving them more vulnerable than the bombers. Not only did planes run out of fuel earlier because of the slow progress timing for the later waves was so screwed up that Bf109s supposed to take over had to return before they had anything to escort. In the first raid, bombers found themselves under attack without scort and dropped their bombs on Croydon, which is precisely 90 miles from Calais. It was not in any way a long range deep penetration raid but it was completely screwed by winds. I dont expect a member of the public in USA or UK to know this, but a historian who doesnt, isnt any type of aviation historian. But then, does an actual pilot have to be told about the effect of headwinds on an aircraft?
Oh yeah? Well chum, I can ace that, I actually played groundhog with a Cessna so give me a P-39...Uh, speak for yourself. I'm a Piper Cherokee pilot, that makes me an expert P-47 and P-51 Ace. In fact I could tangle with @BiffF15 in an Eagle. In fact I might head down to the ramp, get in one, put a Twisted Sister tape in the cassette deck and show Doug Masters how its done.
I'll show myself the door now.
I will wax your fanny but good.
Actually, I got that from Yeager's autobiography, a term used for mock combat.I just don't want to know. REALLY....I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!
Actually, I got that from Yeager's autobiography, a term used for mock combat.
Why? What did you THINK I meant...
Somehow I tend to doubt that is what Yeager actually said.Actually, I got that from Yeager's autobiography, a term used for mock combat.
Actually, probably verbatim. Dad used that phrase fequently when describing 'emerge victorious from the sporting contest' It was common fighter pilot phrase when I was growing up.Somehow I tend to doubt that is what Yeager actually said.
Books at the time used cleaned up language.
Well, across the pond, I believe the term "fanny" translates to girl parts that are directly opposite of the rear-end, as we yanks are accustomed to.Actually, I got that from Yeager's autobiography, a term used for mock combat.
Why? What did you THINK I meant...
Which is why no one wants their mince pies to turn out like Fanny's.Well, across the pond, I believe the term "fanny" translates to girl parts that are directly opposite of the rear-end, as we yanks are accustomed to.
So, basically, in Jolly Olde England, that phrase could be interpreted as a Brazilian Wax Job...
Well, across the pond, I believe the term "fanny" translates to girl parts that are directly opposite of the rear-end, as we yanks are accustomed to.
Depends on whether they're standing or laying down, I suppose...Directly opposite to the rear-end - we're talking about the forehead then?
I believe that is a common expression in the Brazilian AFI just don't want to know. REALLY....I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!