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- Dec 2, 2017
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You have to make sure your accountants are counting the same things.
The "Cost" of a P-47 might have been $83,000, some sources say more.
Grumman may have been paid $35,000 per F6F (of a particular contract?) but that is totally different.
The engine, propeller, guns, radio/s and a number of other small parts were GFE (Government Furnished Equipment).
These "parts" showed up at Grumman's loading dock/s already paid for by the US government on separate contracts.
Republic also got the engines, props, turbos, turbo controllers, guns, radio/s furnished by the Government, as did every other airframe maker.
If somebody added up all the different parts (contracts) they could come up the "cost" of one complete aircraft.
Without being able to read the actual contracts or see the accounting comparing these things is almost impossible.
You can find a few contracts prices for engines but even a simple sentence like "contract XX called for 2,000 engines at a total price of XX million dollars" is deceiving as just about every contract also included a certain percentage of spare parts in addition to the complete engines and amount of spare parts (and what kind of parts) could vary from contract to contract.
I have no idea how spare parts were handled for airframes, separate contracts or contract for 500 aircraft included XX amount of spare parts?
Hi, I'm new here this is my 2nd post
I was looking at aircraft and i thought i'd compare the P-47 and the F6F, they very similar, both use the same engine, both very large and heavy, both carry huge amounts of bombs/rockets, both are very deadly.
The real main differences are, P-47 is far faster at high altitude, the Hellcat is alot more maneuverable at low altitude and the F6F can take off and land on a carrier..... So both pretty close overall with the P-47 being slightly better
But theres another difference between these 2,
the P-47 apparently costs $83,000 while the F6F hellcat costs $35,000.
W H A T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !......nooooo.....it can't be......someones pulling my leg!, $35,000! thats insanely cheap, and it's got 2000hp!!, At that price you could have 3 Spit IX's or 3 Mustangs or 2 Thunderbolts or 2 Corsairs for 5 hellcats!!!
It can't be Standardization because there were more bloody Thunderbolts than Hellcats and the Thunderbolt's design didn't change too much once it got the Teardrop cannopy!
that price can't be correct, someone please explain?
I've always read the P-47 was the most expensive US single-engine fighter. It HAS to be more expensive than a Corsair because it has a turbo system with a large, complicated air duct system that requires a LOT of man-hours to fabricate. By comparison, the Corsair is simple, albeit with some difficult Naval items added, but they are not nearly as labor intensive as the P-47 turbo ducting.
The Corsair's folding wing, for example, can be fabricated on a single, relatively small jig. The P-47's ducting would take some 40+ molds for the aluminum and stainless ducting, plus the radiator (intercooler) and associated automatic systems, while the folding wings are a couple of hydraulic valves that merely open or close to change the pressure side.
While rugged, the Corsair is NOT overly complicated. When all the system are in place and operating, the P-47 IS complicated. The turbo system in ours is not operational, so it is much easier to operate than a fully operational P-47. In the condition they are in, both are similar in complexity. The new restoration, Dottier Mae, however, is fully operational, and will require a LOT more maintenance than our bird does.
Hi, I'm new here this is my 2nd post
I was looking at aircraft and i thought i'd compare the P-47 and the F6F, they very similar, both use the same engine, both very large and heavy, both carry huge amounts of bombs/rockets, both are very deadly.
The real main differences are, P-47 is far faster at high altitude, the Hellcat is alot more maneuverable at low altitude and the F6F can take off and land on a carrier..... So both pretty close overall with the P-47 being slightly better
But theres another difference between these 2,
the P-47 apparently costs $83,000 while the F6F hellcat costs $35,000.
W H A T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !......nooooo.....it can't be......someones pulling my leg!, $35,000! thats insanely cheap, and it's got 2000hp!!, At that price you could have 3 Spit IX's or 3 Mustangs or 2 Thunderbolts or 2 Corsairs for 5 hellcats!!!
It can't be Standardization because there were more bloody Thunderbolts than Hellcats and the Thunderbolt's design didn't change too much once it got the Teardrop cannopy!
that price can't be correct, someone please explain?
Even that varies, who paid for the tooling at Goodyear? Or who paid for it at Eastern aircraft who made TBFs and Wildcats to free up Grumman factory space for the F6F. One reason nobody but Grumman made the F6F, other companies built just about all the other Grumman designs.I suspect that all the R&D costs for the both the P-47 and Corsair were borne by the government, so they aren't relevant to what Republic or Vought were charging. Tooling may have been the manufacturers' responsibly, though.