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interesting to note the obsolete Soviet A/C garbage that is referred to was used at night.....
they were so stinking slow almost stall speed they could maneuver with ease and drop small bombs with pretty great accuracy. The Soviets only countered with Flak. though I am limited on Soviet NF activity their slowness to react with anything in the air really put them into great difficulties over their own space at night, anything they put up on ops could be intercepted, reason enough why NJG 100 alone scored over 500 kills
for the greatest air battle, well Bodenplatte not sure if I will term this as a great air battle but might be cased as a great LW disaster. have interviewed several LW pilots that flew on 1-1-45, what a joke the originator of this debacle should of been shot. the LW losses were extreme, if you guys ever say the dogfights Asch-Bodenplatte episode when JG 11 attacked that airfield and the 352nd Mustangs chewed up the Lw unit severely.
Jg 4 one got completely lost. German ju 88G-1 and G-6 NF's with radar personell tried to get the s/e to the Allied occupied A/F's. didn't help when 'nearly 12/ of these German twin engiens were intercepted and shot down by Allied fighters and or AA.
that attack was so mismanaged that even the German flak positions shot their own LW A/C down before they could attack Allied airfields ........
I think the difficulty for me in this poll is differentiating 'most important' versus 'Greatest'.
The air battle that took place, to the extent that it enabled the evacuation to succeed at Dunkirk, was of vital importance. If around 338,000 troops had not been taken off the beach, the BOB may not have been as important. I don't believe that Hitler was ever really serious about invading England but he may have been so if most of the BEF had not been saved.
QUOTE]in any case on the morrow is the anniversary of the Kassel-Göttingen disaster. Much is still unknown as to why the 445th bg made the fatal turning error and the 3 Sturmgruppen let it fly on them........./QUOTE]
IIRC the 445th was not the lead BG/Wing so they should have been following the lead crews - navigation wise. The normal cause was late to formation Rally point inbound and losing sight of lead wings.
Or Summertime Cumulous would take care of the rest as far as separation...
Not exactly the same thing but similar was the second CW (of five) separating from the first on the April 24 Munich deal when the 2nd CW inadvertantly 'cut the corner' on the south to west turn SE of Munich on the way to the IP and were hung out to dry until the 355th could catch up to them.
Bill there is some talk of a real strange mission that the 445th may have taken re: behind the turning off on their own even when they were yelling to the lead B-24 you've gone the wrong way
That would have been interesting. Bomb Group CO's that intentionally took their birds out of trail were usually fired (if not KIA during the 'mistake'). It would always put the escorting fighters in a dilemma and split the available fighter force.
don;t ask me yet for particulars as I am still studying. Sadly it was the most perfect bounce the Sturmfw gruppen ever made. the opening 7-7-44 was a massacre as well
thanks for that report Bill, I have an extensive one for the LW of course, interesting to note the 15th AF came into lay and was also assaulted by Jg 3 SturmFw's.
It's an extract from the new ABD - just like the Nove 26 mission and the April 24 deal
An important thing to note now here, subtle but still important. although most of JG 3 Sturms had the heavy armor only about 1/2 had the outboard 3cm cannon in place. JG 300 did not have canopy glass armor at all and never really did maybe 1/10th of the Sturms had it installed due to heavy ice problems. the case is almost the same the outboard 3cm was not fully accepted into the Sturm ranks till the end of July 44. what is apparent is the technique of using the wedge formation by both SturmFw gruppen and then as drawing closer lining up abreast as the Bomber crews witnessed before the final assault at extremely close ranges.
and yes even from the outset of the "new" Sturm wedge technique the heavier A/c needed high altitude protection from the 109's in this case from I./JG 300 from Gerhard Stamp CO.
back to 27 Set. 44 and the 445th bg. this is one of the pre-questions I have asked many times, if and a big if the 445th was sent out on it's own why did it not have some sort of US Mustang cover, even if it was just one fighter group ?