Navalwarrior
Staff Sergeant
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- Jun 17, 2018
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Resp:Hello Navalwarrior,
Several boxes of pistol ammunition is about what you would expect. Probably somewhere in the neighbourhood of 150 rounds, but it doesn't seem like that much because if I am shooting pistol, there are usually at least two guns. I just about always shoot a full box of 50 at a time because it doesn't make sense to load less than 50 rounds of pistol ammunition at a time if you have already worked up the loads.
It is pretty quick with a Dillon 550 progressive press and I have two of them set up.
One is for Large Primer and one is for Small because I got tired of having to switch and adjust the primer feeds.
I used to go out to the range after work every Friday at least during the Summer months and spend about 2 hours or so there.
In the Winter, it got dark too early to make that kind of thing worthwhile because the ranges I went to were outdoors.
When I was shooting a .22 pistol, I generally shot A LOT.
I would try to see how fast I could knock down 6 steel plates at 25 yards and would have about 4 magazines in front of me and not keep track of how many rounds were left in the gun. The point was that when the gun ran dry, it was not predictable and I would have to immediately reload and continue on the next plate.
If I missed, I just had to keep shooting until I knocked the plate down.
What was really cool was that there were a couple times when I made a hit but the plate did not fall fast enough and I made a second hit as it was falling.
I figure I was burning about 300 rounds on an average session and would go through an entire carton of the Federal .22 which was 550 rounds in one trip.
The .22 pistol I was using was inexpensive and nothing to look at but was incredibly accurate.... When it was new.
When I first got it, I was able to shoot 10 round groups that were 3/4 inch center to center at 25 yards with Remington Target ammunition from the bench.
With Remington High Velocity, it was doing around 1 inch groups and didn't seem to like other brands as much.
I believe after 15,000 rounds or so, it needs a new firing pin and the accuracy isn't nearly as good as when it was new.
Then again, my eyesight isn't as good as when it was new either!
Now this is the sad part: I didn't realise how unusual this level of accuracy was at the time. When this gun started malfunctioning, I could tell the firing pin strikes were light and the firing pin tip and breech face were worn as was the feed ramp on the barrel. I figured I would just buy a new gun, so I bought a higher grade version. The accuracy of the new gun wasn't bad but was never quite as good as the first one.
- Ivan.
Cont:Resp:
I am glad you were/are able to shoot frequently. Too many people try (my opinion) to shoot infrequently, by making it up by increasing the number of shots fired. Too me it teaches bad habits, as when you are tired . . .and still have rds in the magazine . . . one has a tendency to just fire them up. So when I teach, I always use a single stack Mag pistol or revolver. Too hard to correct bad habits, so shooting sessions involve fewer rds fired.
I also 'spike' the 2nd or 3rd magazine with a dummy rd to show the shooter he/she is pulling the down down/left etc in anticipation of the pistol discharge. Most R handlers pull down and L.
Keep your powder dry!
Sounds like that .22 rifle might be either a Remington Model 12 or a Winchester Model 62....One is a 22 pump action rifle that belonged to my grandfather when he was a child. His father died whan he was about 12 and it became his responsibility to provided for the family. One of the ways he did this was by hunting small game around there home in Wyoming. I feel verry lucky to have the verry rifle he used.
It's unique. Never seen another one like it. Its verry small. Looks like it was specifically built for a child...
Resp:
I am glad you were/are able to shoot frequently. Too many people try (my opinion) to shoot infrequently, by making it up by increasing the number of shots fired. Too me it teaches bad habits, as when you are tired . . .and still have rds in the magazine . . . one has a tendency to just fire them up. So when I teach, I always use a single stack Mag pistol or revolver. Too hard to correct bad habits, so shooting sessions involve fewer rds fired.
I also 'spike' the 2nd or 3rd magazine with a dummy rd to show the shooter he/she is pulling the down down/left etc in anticipation of the pistol discharge. Most R handlers pull down and L.
Keep your powder dry!
Cant find a model number on it but on the barrel it says Remington - pedersons patent number 1909 jan 5 and it says Remington umc on the butplate.Sounds like that .22 rifle might be either a Remington Model 12 or a Winchester Model 62.
Yes you were right. I Googled Remington model 12 and sure enough thats it.Sounds like that .22 rifle might be either a Remington Model 12 or a Winchester Model 62.
You're welcome!Yes you were right. I Googled Remington model 12 and sure enough thats it.
Thanks for pointing me the right direction on that. I've wondered but didn't know enough to start a search. For some reason I never thought to ask my grandfather about that while he was alive. I guess I was so taken with the history of the particular rifle I never really thought about the type in general. Thanks again!
Resp:I don't actually do much shooting these days, but for a few years, just about everything revolved around shooting practice, testing and experimentation. At one range, I would go there every Tuesday evening and share the range with a group of Black Powder shooters. It was amusing that at times I was shooting a semi auto rifle next to either a Match Lock or Flintlock.
These were guys that often only shot about 3 to 5 rounds for the entire evening and then spent more time cleaning than shooting.
One of the things I learned from shooting "Black Powder" was that actual Black Powder is much more erosive than Pyrodex.
I found that out because with the Sharps, I was shooting more in one range session than some of these guys would shoot in several years. The breech seals are also quite visible on a Sharps replica.
What kinds of pistols were you using for instruction?
- Ivan.
Verry cool shot( so to speak). The best long range rifle I ever owned was an M1 Garanad. Was really something the accuracy even at 300 yards which is about as far as I can shoot.It would be wrong to say that I owned one, but in the late 1970's I did have the use a civilian version of the L42, which at the time was the standard sniper rifle of the British Army. The differences were minor, the magazine was blocked off so each shell had to be loaded manually and out of choice I used a peep sight, not a telescopic sight.
We found a photo of me on the 700 yard range at Bisley. Its a poor photo but you can see that in competition the rifles were held. They were not rested on anything and we didn't use a bipod. Everyone used to get upset about the way I crossed my feet, but it worked for me.
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It would be wrong to say that I owned one, but in the late 1970's I did have the use a civilian version of the L42, which at the time was the standard sniper rifle of the British Army. The differences were minor, the magazine was blocked off so each shell had to be loaded manually and out of choice I used a peep sight, not a telescopic sight.
We found a photo of me on the 700 yard range at Bisley. Its a poor photo but you can see that in competition the rifles were held. They were not rested on anything and we didn't use a bipod. Everyone used to get upset about the way I crossed my feet, but it worked for me.
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Resp:Verry cool shot( so to speak). The best long range rifle I ever owned was an M1 Garanad. Was really something the accuracy even at 300 yards which is about as far as I can shoot.
Wish I still had that gun. Traded it for a guitar. Don't know what I was thinking.
Resp:I worked at a commercial range part time for a number of years. 50 firing points at 200 yards. about 25 firing points at 25-50 yds and 95 firing points at 50-100yds (the back stop berm was at 100yds). 10 indoor points at 50ft and feild you could shoot shotguns in. I was the employee often designated to sight in customers rifles. Some days I would arrive around lunch time, sight in a couple of rifles and then get ready to coach a high school rifle team until 5pm. If no rifles to sight in I helped in the gun shop (and sometimes mounted scopes if all it took was a screwdriver, we had no machinery and were not gunsmiths).
My opinion of the "average" hunter's marksmanship is not high.
I also know that while the use of a "bore sighter" can sometimes be spot on it can also be off by up to two feet at 100yds. We charged for bore sighting with the guarantee that if the gun wasn't on "paper" we would come out of the shop to the range and either spot the shots and correct or fire it ourselves to get the impact close enough for the customer to finish. One of the more "interesting" jobs was sighting in the scopes on a pair of Krieghoff over under rifles for a husband and wife. Hers was in .375 H&H and his was a .416 of some variety. With ammo near 100 dollars a box (over 20 years ago) for the .416 (and the recoil of firing off the bench) getting a decent groups quick was a challenge and the two barrels did NOT hit to the same point although certainly close enough for hunting at any range you would use those guns for.
Resp:
I am a very good rifle shot, but when I witnessed several yrs ago falling block (Sharps, etc), rolling block and trapdoor rifles being shot at 200 to 600 meters . . . I had a wake up call. Peep sights are extremely precise, just that 'lighting' must be good to see distant targets. For my scout marksmanship merit badge, I shot a Savage 22 with a global front, in addition to the rear peep. However, if I remember correctly the distance was 50 ft.
The last person I trained (early this yr) I used a SIG P6 (225). Normally I use a K frame S&W 38 with 4 inch bbl, but this girl grew up on a farm so was a good rifle shot, and knew to to properly handle guns (no unsafe behavior here). She had applied for a Federal LE position, which used one of the new fangelled composite autos. So She was ahead of most people learning to shoot. We shot once a wk (sometimes twice) where she would load and shoot 4 mags. One day she couldn't focus, so we stopped after 2 mags. I do not teach at 7 yards anymore, as it gives a false sense of skill. 10 yards is my starting point, then progress to 25 yards. If I had time (and they had the desire) I would show/teach them out to 50yrds.