The jet age ?

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Oh, look !
Those 'chemtrails' have made the fairies at the bottom of my garden really glow and shimmer !
Er... hang on ..... I haven't got a garden.
Maybe Budweiser isn't p*ss after all !!
 
Airframes said:
Oh, look !
Those 'chemtrails' have made the fairies at the bottom of my garden really glow and shimmer !
Er... hang on ..... I haven't got a garden.
Maybe Budweiser isn't p*ss after all !!
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If you are drinking Budweiser or any of their so called "beers" you sir have other issues...:lol:
 
michael rauls said:
Yes Dave it is. Caught a few pretty nice fish out of there over the years.
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Native Orange Countian here...born in Fullerton, lived for the most part in Brea, Anaheim and such but the entire county was my stomping grounds.

Even have some old pix of surplus military aircraft rotting out back of Orange County airport (SNA) when it was a still out in the sticks.
 
GrauGeist said:
Native Orange Countian here...born in Fullerton, lived for the most part in Brea, Anaheim and such but the entire county was my stomping grounds.

Even have some old pix of surplus military aircraft rotting out back of Orange County airport (SNA) when it was a still out in the sticks.
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Thats cool. When I was a kid I used to bug my grandparents to haul me down to orange county airport as often as I could get them to.There used to be a small air museum there with a p40 and a kingfisher amoungst others.
Never got tired of that place.
If you were raised in Fullerton you probably know one of my main fishing holes, Laguna lake, right off Hermosa dr.
Always do good there.
 
PWR4360-59B said:
I also remember the good old days of piston engine contrails, and jets as well. Those photos don't show what became of those after say an hour or more. The photos show fresh contrails. Yes they would in those days disappear. The trails that happen here when they do it, come from a specific direction and become persistent cirroform type clouds at the wrong height. And during this last summer when they didn't want moisture here there were no trails nor planes from those directions. A passenger plane nor any other plane can't come from the direction at the altitude they are at while dumping, from normal flight, as they would be out of fuel. So it has to be a deliberate maneuver doing what they are doing. And the total lack of that air traffic for at least 3 months proves the point. When the high pressure area is established, they don't fly the path. Its called observation that most people don't think of or care about. I find it funny how for some reason there is always a poo poo crowd, that doesn't even want to try to study something that may alter their reality a bit. Luckily we have had great inventors that were not like that. Yes they were called all sorts of names and crapped on, just makes me think of how some act on here.
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Those photos were taken at different times during the countless missions over Germany and they reflect several points.
First of which, was during the winter months, the contrails were more prevalent and had a longer duration that summer months - this was a HUGE red flag to the Germans, who were able to estimate height and direction.
Secondly, the Me262s would use the extensive contrails as a guide to the bomber formations and when conditions were right, would also use the contrails to help conceal their approach...why? Because they were making very obvious contrails, too.

The atmosphere is a dynamic environment, with many layers and boundaries. It is not static and it changes by season, by solar activity and by geographical location - the same effect can be seen in the oceans, which have different currents at different levels and varying temperatures by depth.
During the summer here in Northern California, the atmosphere tends to be warmer and dryer, hence no contrails or very short-lived contrails. However, when the monsoonal moisture is pushed up north from a tropical storm to the south, the contrails become very prevalent and remain for quite a while.
When winter came to the northstate, often times so does the arctic air pushed in by the jet stream. That Arctic air, with it's sub-zero temps and exceptionally dry air will absorb super-heated, water-laden exhaust like a sponge.

Also claiming that passenger aircraft can't come from an area where they're dumping is absolute and complete nonsense - especially the "three month" part. The air currents are such, that anything "dumped", "sprayed" or whatever the black-ops secret Illuminati word of the day for chemtrails is, would drift out of the area within a matter of hours. Want proof? Check out what happens when a Volcano erupts - that ash plume ends up broadcasting great distances, sometimes circumventing the planet. How about Forest Fires? The smoke meanders until it gets into the upper atmosphere and then creates a plume seen by the ISS.

Which brings us back to the part about the Atmosphere being dynamic.

And I'll part with a fun, but VERY educational video, that shows what happens when superhot water meets sub-zero arctic air.

 
GrauGeist said:
Those photos were taken at different times during the countless missions over Germany and they reflect several points.
First of which, was during the winter months, the contrails were more prevalent and had a longer duration that summer months - this was a HUGE red flag to the Germans, who were able to estimate height and direction.
Secondly, the Me262s would use the extensive contrails as a guide to the bomber formations and when conditions were right, would also use the contrails to help conceal their approach...why? Because they were making very obvious contrails, too.

The atmosphere is a dynamic environment, with many layers and boundaries. It is not static and it changes by season, by solar activity and by geographical location - the same effect can be seen in the oceans, which have different currents at different levels and varying temperatures by depth.
During the summer here in Northern California, the atmosphere tends to be warmer and dryer, hence no contrails or very short-lived contrails. However, when the monsoonal moisture is pushed up north from a tropical storm to the south, the contrails become very prevalent and remain for quite a while.
When winter came to the northstate, often times so does the arctic air pushed in by the jet stream. That Arctic air, with it's sub-zero temps and exceptionally dry air will absorb super-heated, water-laden exhaust like a sponge.

Also claiming that passenger aircraft can't come from an area where they're dumping is absolute and complete nonsense - especially the "three month" part. The air currents are such, that anything "dumped", "sprayed" or whatever the black-ops secret Illuminati word of the day for chemtrails is, would drift out of the area within a matter of hours. Want proof? Check out what happens when a Volcano erupts - that ash plume ends up broadcasting great distances, sometimes circumventing the planet. How about Forest Fires? The smoke meanders until it gets into the upper atmosphere and then creates a plume seen by the ISS.

Which brings us back to the part about the Atmosphere being dynamic.

And I'll part with a fun, but VERY educational video, that shows what happens when superhot water meets sub-zero arctic air.

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Yeah, I asked him to please explain that part further...:D
 
Peter Gunn said:
I dunno, you might be surprised (or not) what I've started drinking at 3:00 am after the ouzo runs out...

On a side note, the chem trail conspiracy crap is just too stupid for me to comment on, ugh.
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I think the chemtrail conspiracy thing shows( among other things) the poor state of our education system. When my kids were in school(25 years ago) they were taught just slightly more than zip about ww2 in general and nothing about ww2 aviation.
Had it not been a topic around our household they would know basically nothing about it today. My grandkids (the oldest is in 5th grade) haven't gotten word one about ww2 yet. Anyone who has ever seen a picture of b17s flying at 25,000 feet and leaving contrails would know this is normal but lack of such education allows this belief to fester among the more conspiracy minded.
Seems like it also shows an appalling lack of interest in society in general that so many people arent the slightest bit curious about the world around them and have apparently never picked up a history or science book in there life.
 
michael rauls said:
I think the chemtrail conspiracy thing shows( among other things) the poor state of our education system. When my kids were in school(25 years ago) they were taught just slightly more than zip about ww2 in general and nothing about ww2 aviation.
Had it not been a topic around our household they would know basically nothing about it today. My grandkids (the oldest is in 5th grade) haven't gotten word one about ww2 yet. Anyone who has ever seen a picture of b17s flying at 25,000 feet and leaving contrails would know this is normal but lack of such education allows this belief to fester among the more conspiracy minded.
Seems like it also shows an appalling lack of interest in society in general that so many people arent the slightest bit curious about the world around them and have apparently never picked up a history or science book in there life.
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Agreed...

Sure lends some validity to the recent rankings that ranked the US at 23rd in the world for quality of education. Pretty sad...
 
A few years ago visiting my first daughter and son-in-law, both in their 50s with degrees (DVM), they took me to a sports bar on game night. One question was " What German officer was in charge of the defenses at Normandy" When I told them Rommel they hesitated to ring it in.. My daughter knows my interests, convinced my son-in-law to do it. Our table was the only one to get that right. My son-in-law still thinks I don't know much.
 
vikingBerserker said:
Regardless of what the discussion is, I always appreciate when somebody actually lists information to support their argument.

In this case I learned more about microwaves and how the atmosphere impacts them. I would not have learned that if I had just written the topic off.
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If you want to read something fascinating, here's an article that describes the relationship between the earth's climate and the 11-year solar cycle.

California's severe drought cycle is roughly 11 years, following the El Niño pattern and peaks during the solar cycle. Global climate has been relatively calm in recent times but has been known to have extremes in the past that would send today's conspiracy folks into a coma.

Solar Cycle Variations and Effect on Earth's Climate - Windows to the Universe
 
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