The jet age ?

[michael rauls]

If you want to read something fascinating, here's an article that describes the relationship between the earth's climate and the 11-year solar cycle.

California's severe drought cycle is roughly 11 years, following the El Niño pattern and peaks during the solar cycle. Global climate has been relatively calm in recent times but has been known to have extremes in the past that would send today's conspiracy folks into a coma.

Solar Cycle Variations and Effect on Earth's Climate - Windows to the Universe

If most people knew about the climate history of the earth this whole man made climate change narrative wouldn't have ever even gotten out of the starting block.
I was listening to a dendrocynologyst( hope I spelled that right), which is a person that studies past climate by taking core samples out of living trees. Apparently one can tell quite a bit about the past climate by the with of the ring( a wider width indicates a wetter year and therefore longer growing season for example) and the composition of the wood within the ring as well.
Anyway, one of the things this guy was saying is that 100 even 150 year droughts were it barley rains are nothing unusual in California. He also added that the last 100 years or so has had the most stable climate in the span of history that is knowable by dendrocynology. Which would be about 4000 years( the age of the oldest living trees, the bristle cone pines).

 

[Glider]

Is there really a chemtrail believer on this forum?

Let me guess, flat earth too?

Damn, my secret is out.

 

[GrauGeist]

Absolutely!
They have been doing tree-ring (dendrochronology) studies on the Sequioas, Redwoods, Bristlecone pines and old trees that had been well preserved under lakes and in swamps in order to get a long history of California's climate cycle and found several things of note.
One of which, you mentioned, that the last 100 years or so has been fairly stable.
They also found that in the late 1700's, there was a 35 year drought, which confirms the Spaniards' accounts of a savage drought that nearly caused the Spaniards to abandon Alta-California, which happened to be about the time the British were snooping around - and that could have drastically altered North American history, too.
One other point of interest, is California had a series of exceptional droughts that lasted hundreds of years, one such drought coinciding with the collapse of the Pueblo Culture.

 

[special ed]

As an aside, the National Geographics magazine many years back had an article in which the mention of the oldest living things on earth are in Turkey at high elevations. They are some kind of a tree, which looks like a bush and are 6000 years old. Because they are a national treasure, a core sample was taken only once. Rings had to be counted by microscope.

 

[michael rauls]

As an aside, the National Geographics magazine many years back had an article in which the mention of the oldest living things on earth are in Turkey at high elevations. They are some kind of a tree, which looks like a bush and are 6000 years old. Because they are a national treasure, a core sample was taken only once. Rings had to be counted by microscope.

Verry interesting. I have always read/ bean told that the Bristlecone pine was the oldest living organism on earth with quite a few in the 4000 year range. Would be fascinated to know the name of that tree in Turkey.
There are I think 2 of the Bristlecones living that they know of that are in the 5000 year range plus one more that some dummy accidentally cut down that was over 6000 if I remember right. That WAS the oldest living thing on earth. Oops

 

[GrauGeist]

The Yew in Turkey is estimated to be 4,100+ years old, the Bristlecones in California are the absolute oldest single-root, continuous living trees on earth.

There were three, one was cut down about 50 years ago, the oldest is un-named and is 5,068 years old, next oldest is Methesulah at 4,850 years old and the third was on the Nevada side of the Sierras, named Prometheus which was 4,844 years old at the time it was cut down.

There are "clonal colony" trees which are older, but the age is collective as the tree that shares the root system with the others don't live to be very old, like the Aspen colony on Utah which is estimated to be close to 1,000,000 years old, but like the Norwegian Spruce colony in Sweden, which is 9,550 years old, the "stems" (or trees from the root system) only live about 5 to 6 hundred years.

 

[michael rauls]

The Yew in Turkey is estimated to be 4,100+ years old, the Bristlecones in California are the absolute oldest single-root, continuous living trees on earth.

There were three, one was cut down about 50 years ago, the oldest is un-named and is 5,068 years old, next oldest is Methesulah at 4,850 years old and the third was on the Nevada side of the Sierras, named Prometheus which was 4,844 years old at the time it was cut down.

There are "clonal colony" trees which are older, but the age is collective as the tree that shares the root system with the others don't live to be very old, like the Aspen colony on Utah which is estimated to be close to 1,000,000 years old, but like the Norwegian Spruce colony in Sweden, which is 9,550 years old, the "stems" (or trees from the root system) only live about 5 to 6 hundred years.

I've been up to see the Methesula tree in the White Mountains several times. One of my favorite places. The tree that was cut down about 50 years ago was the one I was referencing as being, if I remember right, the oldest of them. I believe close to or perhaps slightly over 6000 years.
Could be off on that but I know I've read it was the oldest and if one of the others were in the 5s then seems like it would be at least close to 6.

 

[gumbyk]

There are "clonal colony" trees which are older, but the age is collective as the tree that shares the root system with the others don't live to be very old, like the Aspen colony on Utah which is estimated to be close to 1,000,000 years old, but like the Norwegian Spruce colony in Sweden, which is 9,550 years old, the "stems" (or trees from the root system) only live about 5 to 6 hundred years.

This is a conspiracy... THE EARTH IS ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD!!!!


(In case you missed it, that was sarcasm.....)

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

This is a conspiracy... THE EARTH IS ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD!!!!


(In case you missed it, that was sarcasm.....)

Careful there is a sizeable portion of the US population that actually believes this. They typically live in a belt that runs from the deep south to the midwest.

The pyramids were likely dinosaur stables to them...

 

[michael rauls]

The Yew in Turkey is estimated to be 4,100+ years old, the Bristlecones in California are the absolute oldest single-root, continuous living trees on earth.

There were three, one was cut down about 50 years ago, the oldest is un-named and is 5,068 years old, next oldest is Methesulah at 4,850 years old and the third was on the Nevada side of the Sierras, named Prometheus which was 4,844 years old at the time it was cut down.

There are "clonal colony" trees which are older, but the age is collective as the tree that shares the root system with the others don't live to be very old, like the Aspen colony on Utah which is estimated to be close to 1,000,000 years old, but like the Norwegian Spruce colony in Sweden, which is 9,550 years old, the "stems" (or trees from the root system) only live about 5 to 6 hundred years.

Ya you were right. I looked it up and the Prometheus, the one that was cut down was ONLY a 4844 as you said so the un- named 5068 one would be the oldest

 

[nuuumannn]

I walked into the hangar this morning and the mechanics slipped up and left a Mark 26 Chemtrail Dispersal Unit out on the table.

Ha! One of our pilots put a chemtrail label next to a switch in the cockpit of one of our aircraft and it was promptly removed! Not by us though, we saw the funny side of it. Management have no sense of humour.

Careful there is a sizeable portion of the US population that actually believes this. They typically live in a belt that runs from the deep south to the midwest.

I'm sorry, but that's just ludicrous.

 

[GrauGeist]

What are the odds that I just received a "geo-engineering" flyer in the mail today?

I'm dead serious...when I get on the computer in a little bit, I'll scan it and post it.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Ha! One of our pilots put a chemtrail label next to a switch in the cockpit of one of our aircraft and it was promptly removed! Not by us though, we saw the funny side of it. Management have no sense of humour.

I did the same thing on one of our aircraft a few years ago. It stayed up there for a few days...

I'm sorry, but that's just ludicrous.

I'm serious, I am not joking about that. Look up the New Earth Creationists. Hell look up Ben Carson. He is one of the people who believes that. He even thinks the pyramids were created to store grain. Just because someone is smart, does not mean they are "smart"...

 

[michael rauls]

What are the odds that I just received a "geo-engineering" flyer in the mail today?

I'm dead serious...when I get on the computer in a little bit, I'll scan it and post it.

Would love to see that. Should be entertaining.

 

[GrauGeist]

Finally got situated at the computer, so here we go.

The claims this guy and his site are making are so absurd to a person who knows better BUT to the uninformed, it *may* sound possible.

A little education goes a long ways and people like this guy used to prey on the uninformed with their snake oil remedies and rain-making potions in the 18th and 19th century. So there's nothing really new under the sun, just different approaches.

And I'm sure Chris and the other guys who work around aircraft will immediately notice the image of the ballast tanks in the fuselage AND the image that points out the "spray nozzles" (actually pylon drains) on the A319!

There's more, but this makes a clear point that in today's world, when people have unprecedented access all the knowledge in the world, they choose instead, to live in ignorance...and that's a terrible shame

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I love the ballast tank ones. It never gets old.

 

[michael rauls]

Finally got situated at the computer, so here we go.

The claims this guy and his site are making are so absurd to a person who knows better BUT to the uninformed, it *may* sound possible.

A little education goes a long ways and people like this guy used to prey on the uninformed with their snake oil remedies and rain-making potions in the 18th and 19th century. So there's nothing really new under the sun, just different approaches.

And I'm sure Chris and the other guys who work around aircraft will immediately notice the image of the ballast tanks in the fuselage AND the image that points out the "spray nozzles" (actually pylon drains) on the A319!

There's more, but this makes a clear point that in today's world, when people have unprecedented access all the knowledge in the world, they choose instead, to live in ignorance...and that's a terrible shame

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Good heavens. My first reaction was to want to laugh at this but then it hit me how sad it really is.
Wonder why some people put this stuff out. I mean I can't imagine what they could be getting out of it unless they are making money from subscriptions to a "newsletter" and taking advantage of the gullible that way.

 

[GrauGeist]

I love the ballast tank ones. It never gets old.

Yep, that's an old gem, but my fav is those "spray nozzles" on the pylon - which happen to be below the fuel dump orifice (which they apparently missed)

 

[nuuumannn]

I'm serious, I am not joking about that. Look up the New Earth Creationists. Hell look up Ben Carson. He is one of the people who believes that. He even thinks the pyramids were created to store grain. Just because someone is smart, does not mean they are "smart".

Yeah, Adler, I meant that it's ludicrous that people believe that. I've heard of this creationist movement and I saw a clip of a museum in New Orleans or somewhere called Creation World or some such thing. More disturbing is that one major US museum has been petitioned to provide creationist docents so they can get their view of history put forward, rather than that which the museum is offering! Crazy.

Ben Carson; a sloth in human form...