SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Same as above.
The one most over-rated plane of WWII
- Thread starter NTGray
- Start date
Ad: This forum contains affiliate links to products on Amazon and eBay. More information in Terms and rules
Okay, time for a firebomb.
The MOST overrated plane of WW 2 in my opinion is ........... the P-51 Mustang.
Yes, it was was an outstanding fighter and had the range needed to do the job.
But you'd think for all the hero worship it gets it won the war single handed.
It took on the Luftwaffe when they were already on the ropes.
It was graceful and easy to fly, but had a glass jaw, the cooling system.
It really wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the fame without an imported engine.
So, my Molotve cocktail has been tossed, you may resume your discussion. Cheers !
The MOST overrated plane of WW 2 in my opinion is ........... the P-51 Mustang.
Yes, it was was an outstanding fighter and had the range needed to do the job.
But you'd think for all the hero worship it gets it won the war single handed.
It took on the Luftwaffe when they were already on the ropes.
It was graceful and easy to fly, but had a glass jaw, the cooling system.
It really wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the fame without an imported engine.
So, my Molotve cocktail has been tossed, you may resume your discussion. Cheers !
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
Burn the heretic!!!
The LW was on the ropes in August 1942, schurley you made schome myschtayke? I think foul scorn of your firebomb, a woman might piSS it out in minutes.
With kind regards to the Mayor of London during the fire of London 1666.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The P-51 was using a Packard V-1650, which was manufactured in the states, not imported.
And to add to that, the P-51 was designed for the British...
And to add to that, the P-51 was designed for the British...
A good few didnt have Packard engines either, I think his firebomb has mixed up the As B/Cs and Ds as well as that whole Mustang thing.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Well...we've all seen those videos online where people toss gasoline on a fire.
It never ends well, but it's oddly entertaining
Uhh, the Packard V-1650 was based on WHICH engine ????
By 1944 when the P-51C/D came into it's own the LW had been at war in the West for going on 5 years, the majority of it's best pilots were for the most part either dead or in the East.
The rest had been in hard combat with Spitfires, P-38s and P-47s, none of which I may need to remind you were no slouch or easy kills in combat.
The LW pilots by & large in the West were inferior in training to the Allied pilots by 1944, so most kills by P-51 pilots weren't against top notch opponents.
All of which made the P-51's star shine even brighter. I'm not saying it was a bad fighter, just over rated.
By 1944 when the P-51C/D came into it's own the LW had been at war in the West for going on 5 years, the majority of it's best pilots were for the most part either dead or in the East.
The rest had been in hard combat with Spitfires, P-38s and P-47s, none of which I may need to remind you were no slouch or easy kills in combat.
The LW pilots by & large in the West were inferior in training to the Allied pilots by 1944, so most kills by P-51 pilots weren't against top notch opponents.
All of which made the P-51's star shine even brighter. I'm not saying it was a bad fighter, just over rated.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Uhh the Packard V-1650 was based on the Rolls Royce Merlin, obviously, but It was NOT imported.
The Mustang's design proposed by North American Aviation was approved for purchase by the British Purchasing Commission, so *technically* both the P-51 and the Packard V-1650 are "British" even though they came from the U.S.
The Mustang's design proposed by North American Aviation was approved for purchase by the British Purchasing Commission, so *technically* both the P-51 and the Packard V-1650 are "British" even though they came from the U.S.
Mustang Mk Is first entered French airspace on 10 May 1942 German airspace on 27 July 1942 shot down its first Fw190 in August 1942. The Packard was built in USA not imported and all Mustang mk I mk IA mk II P-51A and A36 versions had Allisson engines.
wingnuts
Airman 1st Class
Even the outdated Boeing P-26 Peashooter in the hands of Jesus Villamor and his squadron of the Philippine Army Air Corp managed to shoot down three A6M Zeros and a G3M Betty, but I expect the IJN pilots were a bit overconfident and the PAAC pilots were lucky. Jesús A. Villamor - Wikipedia
buffnut453
Captain
Agreed...despite the claims, there are no corresponding A6M losses for the combats in which the PAAC P-26s participated. That does not detract from the courage of those Philippine pilots going to war in those old, tired, hand-me-down aircraft.
Just Schmidt
Senior Airman
With 'this respect' I meant forward visibility over the cowl allowing a deflection shot while keeping the target in view.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
The Packard V-1650 Merlin is a version of the Rolls-Royce Merlin aircraft engine, produced under license in the United States by the Packard Motor Car Company.
Packard V-1650 Merlin - Wikipedia
Can you quantify that with references? A number of high scoring LW pilots survived the war, well documented in the old book by Toliver and Constable "Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe."
And where you're REALLY wrong is when and how the destruction of the Luftwaffe occurred. I suggest reading this thread
Who Really Destroyed the Luftwaffe?
If the americans were solely responsible for the destruction of the LW, I think the war would have panned out completely differently. we have to do some navel gazing here, but one scenario is continued co-operation between the soviets and a bowing out of the war by the british and the...
ww2aircraft.net
- Thread starter
- #156
The P-51 is arguably the most famous, and perhaps the most beloved, of American WWII fighter planes in part (I think) because there were so many still flying in recent years as racers. (How many are still in service in 2021? Anybody know?) That love may indeed be exaggerated (though a lot of it came from bomber pilots who had every right to love them). So, depending on who is doing the critiquing, the praise may well be a bit excessive. Also, many people consider the Mustang, like the Spitfire, to be especially good-looking, and we all know that looks matter. How is a Plain Jane like the P-47 Jug supposed to compete with that? But I still think that, even given the exaggerated praise, the Mustang really was a great plane, whereas the Zero was not all that great once you factor in the weaknesses as well as the strengths, yet the mythology of the Zero seems to me to be even more "over the top" than Mustang worship is. Therefore the Zero still deserves the "prize," even if only by a small margin.
[Shuffles papers and puts trial notes back in briefcase.]
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
Where is Andrei? I want sunflower seeds ...
Look, I wasn't going to go into tech specs, discussion and a pissing contest, I was just offering my opinion on the most over rated fighter of WW 2.
You may not like it and I'm not asking you to, it's my opinion.
You are all welcome to worship the P-51 as much as you like, I choose not to. It was a good airplane, not the best and not a Saint.
And dat's all I got to say 'bout dat.
You may not like it and I'm not asking you to, it's my opinion.
You are all welcome to worship the P-51 as much as you like, I choose not to. It was a good airplane, not the best and not a Saint.
And dat's all I got to say 'bout dat.
I think it is nice that you shared your feelings, after all only feelings matter. How do you feel about Grumman products?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Well if you're going to state your opinion on this forum, there will be some, if not many on who will dispel the BS with TECHNICAL SPECS! You're entitled to your opinions even though reality, history AND FACTS dictates otherwise.
"And dat's all I got to say 'bout dat."
