Two Japanese Talking A-Bombs

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The Japanese where total bastards never mind about the honorable sons of Nippon ect after what had happened in China,Malay,the Philippines Etc and the allied prisoner treatment, they got what they deserved, and perhaps the world needed to see the horrific effect of Atomic warfare to prevent it happening again.

 

[Cyrano]

 

[Virtual_pilot]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

 

[ToughOmbre]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

Only PC, revisionist historian, muti-cutural, secular progressive idiots would classify American strategic bombing in WW II as terrorism.

You got a problem with a decision (A-bombing Japan) that saved the lives of tens of thousands of American soldiers, not to mention millions of Japanese?

 

[k9kiwi]

You reap what you sew,
Start a war and your people will glow.

 

[Graeme]

You reap what you sew,
Start a war and your people will glow.

That must make the Enola Gay a 'sewing machine?!

(sorry k9kiwi-just mucking with your brain!)

 

[timshatz]

You reap what you sew,
Start a war and your people will glow.

Catchy. I like it.

 

[timshatz]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

Been my experience the less people know about the Pacific war in 1945, the more likely they are to be idealistic about it. Not to get into a long (many pages), drawn out discussion on it, but the A-bomb was amazingly effective in that it did convince the Japanese, finally, that the war was finished and they'd lost.

The more you study it, the more amazing it is. That war should've ended in about May of 1946 with another 10 million or so dead (mostly Japanese).

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

You obviously are very clueless and guessing off of your screen name as Virtual Pilot you dont get out much and live in a computer game hollywood world.

Do you realize that if we had not dropped the bombs how many US and allied Soldiers would have died taking that Island house for house? Do you realize how many more Japanese soldiers would have been killed? Do you realize how many more Japanese civilians, women and children would have died? Let alone that Japan might have been under the Soviet Sphere of influence after they came down from the North.

I dont think you do. I think you need to learn more about the Pacific Theatre of Operations in WW2.

Im just saying....

 

[timshatz]

Adler, you are on it.

The real victims that never died would've been civilians. The US was about to start a Japanese version of "Operation Pointblank" (supposed to start in September 1945). In it, the railroads and bridges would've been prime targets for the USAF, RAF, RAAF and Naval Aircraft (as well as shore bombardment from Warships). As the B29s had already mined the waters around Japan, effectively wiping out the coastal shipping traffic, the only way to move material around Japan at that point was the Railroad. Japanese Railroads in 1945 were coastal in nature with trunk lines running into the interior. Once these are destroyed, the foodstuffs could not be moved around the 5 Islands.

By the summer of 1945, the average caloric intake of a Japanese civilian was on the order of 1500 calories per day. This at a time when heavy work was the norm. And that level of consumption was unsustainable. Take the destruction of the railroads, couple it with heavy labor and a deteriorating diet and you get starvation. As if that wasn't bad enough, the rice crop failed in the fall of 1945 (about the only thing that kept the Japanese alive in the winter of 1946 was the foodstuff stored for the invasion that was given to the Japanese).

The real killer in war is starvation. The Japanese in the Summer of 1945 were looking it right in the face. Add in the attendent diseases that come from a reduce immune system/caloric intake (Typhus, Tuberculousis, Rickets, ect) and diseases born of unsanitary conditions (bombing would've destroyed water and sewage disposal operations) such as cholera, dysintery, ect and you get a mass dieoff of the Japanese population even in places where there was no ground fighting. The worst would be in the cities. All these factors would combine to make the 1918 Influenza Outbreak look insignicant. Deaths would've gone into the millions.

The bomb avoided that scenario. This does not mean the bomb was a good thing, but it was the lesser of all evils present.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

Tell it to this guy Bozo - at 96 I bet you he'll still kick you in the nuts for a dumb ass comment like that!

Why don't you try not to say much and just stick to your video games. Your stupidity is overwhelming.

 

[Negative Creep]

Good post tim, I'd never really thought of it from that perspective before. Certainly and invasion and conquest of the mainland would have resulted in far more civilian deaths, and left the country in a state of even greater destruction

 

[Soundbreaker Welch?]

What about an operation to kidnap the Emperor of Japan? The Japanese may not have been happy then.

 

[Negative Creep]

Wasn't that just the work of a few renegade Army officers? The Imperial Guard stayed loyal and defended the palace, so the whole thing kindof fizzled out. Seeing as most of them saw the Emperor as a living God, I think any blame or animosity would have been directed towards the government, not him

 

[merlin]

The attempted coup, wasn't against the Emperor as such. No, it was to protect him against those who were (they thought) giving him bad advice - they didn't seem to think - he could think for himself! But not only that, but also to secure - before the broadcast the recording discs of the Emperor's speech of surrender. If these had been found, maybe some senior officers may have come off the fence!! Then with the military in control all 'bets' are off.

 

[Cojimar 1945]

I think it is understandable that Japanese who did not directly participate in the war or commit any atrocities themselves would feel they were victims. Do all the board members here feel enormous guilt over the crimes committed by some people from their countries even though they personally had nothing to do with it? A nation is not a monolith but rather composed of may unique individuals who may not share the same views.

 

[bigZ]

Using nukes in that fashion was what nowdays would be classified as terrorism. That along with Dresden, but hey the winners don`t get judged... in this world. But all responsible sure got their places in hell reserved once they did that.

But it was not nowdays. The US and her allies were commited to a total war and warm fuzzy feelings for the enemy dont come into it. With the potential loss of lives that a invasion would of afforded the A-Bomb would have been the more palletable choice.

The ill informed always seem to forget that Napalm was killed more people in a single bombing raid and not the bomb. On the night of March 9-10 in what flight commander Gen. Thomas Power termed "the greatest single disaster incurred by any enemy in military history?" The Strategic Bombing Survey estimated that 87,793 people died in the raid, 40,918 were injured, and 1,008,005 people lost their homes.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I think it is understandable that Japanese who did not directly participate in the war or commit any atrocities themselves would feel they were victims. Do all the board members here feel enormous guilt over the crimes committed by some people from their countries even though they personally had nothing to do with it? A nation is not a monolith but rather composed of may unique individuals who may not share the same views.

Tell that to the families of POWs who were murdered during the Bataan death march, were they not victims as well? Were their loved ones not unique individuals?

"Vengeance is mine, say the lord, payback's a bitch...."[/QUOTE]

 

[Negative Creep]

I think it is understandable that Japanese who did not directly participate in the war or commit any atrocities themselves would feel they were victims. Do all the board members here feel enormous guilt over the crimes committed by some people from their countries even though they personally had nothing to do with it? A nation is not a monolith but rather composed of may unique individuals who may not share the same views.

They still allowed it to happen though, especially if they did nothing.Technically yes you could argue that those who played no active part in any war crimes could claim to be innocent. But wars are fought by countries or groups, not individuals. By that logic, someone who only finances terrorism could claim innocence, as they have no direct participation. A lot of Germans tried similar claims after the war; strangely everyone was suddenly a Communist or anti-Nazi all along

 

[Cojimar 1945]

The families of murdered POW's should direct their anger at the individuals that committed the crimes.