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I can't think of any ME country that the world should allow to have nukes. I think Iran especially. They have their hands in every violent act in some shape or form relating to Hezbollah, Hamas, and other groups. I don't understand how they are sending arms unless by ship unless there is some agreements going on between Turks, Kurds, and U.S. forces though. And they are traditional enemies of Iran. The politics in the ME are mind boggling. It should be worth military action to keep them from having nukes. With nuclear weapons they will immmediatly become very difficult to deal with.BT, again very sensible - I think the length of the leash will depend on the rhetoric being fielded from the Iranian President as well as any plans of the Iranians to manufacture nuclear weapons. You know Israel will not allow that to happen.
Having said that, disarming Israel might well be a positive step for the region. A country with a sixty year history of swift and unilateral violence ( and I'm not just talking about Pakistan), is not a prime candidate, IMHO, for membership of the nuke club, nor will that nation's status as the only nuclear player in the region do any good for regional stability.
That could also play into the hands of the peace-makers BT, many Iranians have declared deep dissatisfaction at the way money is squandered on so-called prestige projects. Armored-dinnerjacket's more moderate predecessor is counting on that sentiment at the next Iranian presidential election for another term in office.Nukes are one of the biggest issues that will need to be dealt with. Again, it's a tough one. Iran wants to join the nuke club mainly as a power projection thing...
The problem with the US, Israel or even the UK dictating to Iran that they cannot have nukes is that it will simply look hypocritical when all three of those nations have nukes of their own...
RememberDisarming Isreal? C'mon that's utter folly. What the hell does Isreal have to gain from disarming? Absolutely nothing.
Ask the same question of Britain in 1938. Or the US in 1940. BS. I'm sick and tired of pacifism being touted as a means of eliminating world strife. Name one world influencing country, regime or people who in the face of hostility threw up their arms and professed pacifism that has continued to exist in an historically influential manner.
BS.
Oh well, maybe he isn't after all......Armored-dinnerjacket's more moderate predecessor is counting on that sentiment at the next Iranian presidential election for another term in office
Our Drones probe Iranian Airspace all the time.
They both need conventional arms to protect their territorial integrity if attacked by the other.
And Matt, I am not a pacifist. I wrote in my first AND second posts that the option to use military force should and must be reserved - but it should only be deployed after all diplomatic channels have failed. It is an essential part of the negotiating process, but IMHO it should not be a dominant one.
Essentially, my logic boils down to this. Israel has spent the last six decades fighting it's neighbours. It has often won the wars, and while Israel still continues to exist as a nation, it is no more secure than it was in 1948. The enemy keeps coming back for more. Fighting just isn't working. Why carry on doing something that hasn't worked for sixty years? Long term security is only going to be gained by settling the disputes in the region and REMOVING the reasons for fighting.
.What sort of drone did the Iranians use? Any pics of it?
Your response was much more respectable than my challenge. Apologies. BT, I (and the other mods) are frustrated with the political discussions. Most forum participants don't realize (and I'm likely giving away a secret here) that the Mods/Admins have their own sub-forums. In it, we too have divisive conversations that disturb us in their ability to separate, as opposed to bring us together.
While you may think otherwise, many of the Mods/Admin on this site are NOT right wing conservatives (yes, don't count me in that camp). I am not asking you to remove yourself (at a potential penalty to membership), but rather to refocus your obvious energy to the primary purpose of this forum's objective... WW2 aviation.
Cheers