UK Could Be A 'No Smoking Nation' By 2032....

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  1. Lucky13

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    UK Could Be A 'No Smoking Nation' By 2032

    Campaigners want to make cigarettes more expensive and too socially unacceptable for most people to continue smoking.

    By Gerard Tubb, Sky Correspondent

    Senior doctors and anti-smoking campaigners have told Sky News they are working towards making the UK a no smoking nation within the next 20 years.

    Leading specialist Professor John Britton has called on the Government to back the goal, describing it as entirely realistic.

    "Andrew Lansley could make himself a legacy greater than that of almost any other Health Secretary in history," Professor Britton, who chairs the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group, said.

    "I think it will be entirely realistic for all practical purposes to eradicate smoking within 20 years."

    Although smoking rates are falling, each year it kills around 100,000 people, while 200,000 children and young people take up the habit.

    Smoking is estimated to cost the NHS in England alone £2.7bn per year, with the cost to society as a whole estimated to be £13.74bn.

    In the North East, which has successfully reduced the number of adults who smoke from 24.2% in 2009 to 21.5% in 2011, the goal of a smoke-free UK within two decades is being actively promoted by Fresh, the regional office for tobacco control.

    "Our vision is to make smoking history for our children in the next 20 years and we know there are millions out there that back this," Ailsa Rutter, the organisation's chief executive, said.

    Campaigners say they are not pushing for a ban, but want to make cigarettes more expensive, less well advertised and too socially unacceptable for most people to continue smoking.

    Proposals to reduce the desirability of tobacco by forcing the industry to sell it in unbranded packaging are being assessed by the Government.

    The Department of Health says it has an "open mind" about the idea, which is fiercely opposed by the tobacco industry.

    UK campaigners have been spurred on by initiatives elsewhere, including attempts in Australia to make it illegal to sell tobacco to anyone born after the year 2000.

    Ms Rutter said public opinion has changed in recent years and that she believes the tide is turning against smoking.

    "We really can push further," she said. "We can make smoking history, and I do truly believe that it's the right thing to do."

    Her vision is supported by Dr Chris Stenton, consultant chest physician at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary

    He said: "I do look forward to the time when no one will smoke - 20 years or 30 years - but thereabouts."

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    Me think that they must have smoked 'something'...
     
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    In my experience, some people that smoke say it's my right, it's none of your business, and I'm only hurting myself. Some people that don't smoke are very offended by the smell and it has been proven that 2nd hand smoke is even more harmful than first hand smoke.

    I have seen this discussion get as heated as politics or religion.
     
  3. Matt308

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    Yep. Be careful here folks. You can't separate the politics because they are so intertwined with the taxes generated from tobacco sales. I'll leave it open, but will caution everyone that the Mods will be watching this one.
     
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    Not to mention the 'pennies' made by the smoking companies...
     
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    I used to smoke. Did so for over 10 years.

    Best thing I ever did? Quit...

    You don't realize how much you stink, and how nasty the habit is until you actually quit. Every day since I quit a few years ago, I have been feeling better and better every damn day. And the best part? Food tastes so much better!

    As for the right to smoke and so forth? I agree with bars and restaurants being off limits for smoking.

    1. I don't want to smell it when I am eating food.

    2. I don't care to smell like it when I leave a bar.

    3. If a smoker has the right to kill themselves with a cigarette, then I have the right to not inhale his 2nd hand smoke.

    Remember this is coming from a former smoker, so I can understand both sides of the argument.
     
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    I am in total agreement with Chris. I am a non-smoker and have always been one, but I do understand the smokers POV, but your right stops where my nose begins. In the past I have many times wished for an anti-cigarette that would produce fumes as obnoxious and irritating as smoke is to me.
    My $.02
     
  7. Lucky13

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    Many a blue moon ago, I did as well....

    Everything taste better...
    Everything smells better...
    You don't get that odd colouring on walls etc., etc...
    ...and today, I think, you save about 1700 quid a year, not smoking, plenty of plastic there! :lol:
     
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    What's next, fatty foods?
     
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    Viking, I also see your viewpoint. And agree: God protect me from those who wish to do me well, but the point is that anothers eating of fatty foods does not clog my arteries. After eating those foods they do not blow those foods at me whereby I am forced to swallow them as well. BUT their inhalation of noxous fumes does affect me because they exhaust those fumes into the same air that I am forced to breathe.
    Would never deny anyone's right to do anything to themselves they wish. I get twitterpated when they try to force me to ride along with them
     
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    Mikewint getting "twitterpated"...now there's a mental image with which to conjure! :D
     
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    Agree with no smoking in bars, restaurants, and any other public places. My fiance' smokes, and we have talked about her quitting for so many reasons, health being the most important, but saving the money would also be nice.
     
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    I one of those anti-smoking nuts im afraid. used to smoke, but i found that i just could not control the habit....ratchetted up to 80 per day over a two year period. Realized that i wasnt really enjoying it, and it was costing a bucket. went cold turkey 35 years ago, and havent regretted a single day.

    There is a difference between smoking and other things bad for you.....without doing anything else but smoking it hurts other peoples health. even alchohol is not as intrusive as that.

    Governments always fall short of outright bans because they rely on the tax revenues, and the tobacco lobby is very powerful
     
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    I do not think I would agree with a outright ban, believe people are free to do what they want to do. I would not be opposed to allowing people to smoke in a designated area outside a bar, restaurant, etc.
     
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    Hmmm...not sure an outright ban would work. There'd be a huge black market trade for cigarettes. We only have to look at the Prohibition Era to see how ineffective bans can be. Many drugs today are banned and yet the usage increases year on year.

    Maybe some form of cunningly-designed fishbowl-type headgear containing an advanced filtration contraption is in order so that smokers can indulge in their habit anywhere they want to - has the added advantage of providing a great '50s retro sci-fi look! :D
     
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    I too do not believe in an outright ban. People should have the right to chose.

    I do however believe in:

    1. Complete ban in bars.
    2. Complete ban in resteraunts.
    3. Ban at public places.

    The exception would be in designated areas. I also do not have a problem with smoking lounges.
     
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    I smoke, but I do it away from others out of consideration...I don't smoke inside my home and I definately don't smoke in my car. I know, it sounds weird, but that's just the way it is...lol
     
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    Yeah I mean I don't think it should be banned totally either but the smell of it just pisses me off. So I agree with what chris said and banning it in public places but having designated areas.
     
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    I don't think UK will be smoke free...ever.

    People know the risks and choose to ignore them. I bet some wiseguy said 20 years ago exactly same thing.

    Alcohol is far worse than smoking....much worse.
     
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    I, too, smoke.

    I hate it, its pure habit and trying to quit. I smoke outside and thats about it.

    But what is the definition of "designated place"? I understand the ban on "public" places but what if there were business' that were dedicated for smokers? A smoking bar where it was allowed? Or better yet, a private bar or restaurant where you pay a 'cover charge' to enter? would that work?

    Its kinda like what they are doing in Philly and New York - trying to outlaw soda cups larger than 16 oz.
     
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    As long as cigarettes are available legally, I will keep smoking some every day.
    That is my modest relaxation when I don't drink (I used to drink but stopped as it was not good for my health).
    I don't spend money for gambling either.

    Since those no smoking campaigners removed all ashtrays from the public places whereas cigarettes are still available, we find more cigarette butts on the streets and careless fires in unexpected places like a subway station. They should ban selling first or secure ashtrays at least before blaming smokers.
     
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