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The number of 135,000 is almost certainly overstating things, according to what I've read.
By a considerable margin...more than 5 times the postwar totals determined by Germany.
With Soviet forces only 90 miles from the city, Dresden was a transportation hub for German troops being brought in to try and stem the Soviet advance, with major communications axes in both east-west and north-south directions. Whatever Dresden was pre-war, by February 1945 it was anything but a worthless target bombed purely for vengeful purposes.
A review of the book I wrote a little while ago -
The Destruction of Dresden
Avid Irving 1963 This printing, March 1968
287 pages with appendixes and index Ballantine Books NY
"The single biggest massacre in European history," according to this author, took place as a result of the triple-blow air raids over the night of February 13-14, 1945 when successive waves of British and American bombers bombed the Eastern German city of Dresden. In this book, the author covers so many aspects of the raid that I took four pages of notes.
Dresden was acknowledged as a cultural center for arts, music, and architectural beauty. There were wartime rumors that the city had not been bombed because of a secret deal with England – Germany would not bomb Oxford and the British would not bomb Dresden. Many Germans believed the city was safe from air attack since it had no factories making any particular war materials, though it did have small shops and an optical facility. Some RAF personnel questioned whether it was really the target, or had there been a mistake? The war was still raging, though the end was inevitable in February 1945. The Red Army was 90 miles from the city center. Evacuees fleeing the advancing Red Army had flooded the city; its hospitals were full while schools were being converted to handle more patients. Allied prisoner of war camps were in the suburbs. Prison camps in the East that were being moved were passing through the city as well.
The city had no massive air raid shelter, and in fact, searchlights and anti-aircraft guns had been moved to other parts of Germany in October the year before. It was undefended. (The book cover's artwork is incorrect – the AA guns had been pulled out to use as anti-tank guns elsewhere.)
The residents had seen 171 false air raid alarms before that night when the RAF dropped 650,000 incendiary bombs, plus many 4,000 and 8,000 pound blockbuster bombs, on the old historic residential part of the city (not the suburbs with the rail yards and small factories). A
And that was just the first wave that struck at 10:10 PM. At 1:30 AM the second wave struck – timed to interrupt the firefighting attempts and cause a fire-storm.
The American B-17s dropped their bombs just after 12 noon on the 14th (Ash Wednesday) but because 9/10ths cloud cover, their bombs (aimed at the railway yards) fell wide into residential sections. P-51 Mustangs swooped down and strafed columns and masses of people fleeing and rescue people heading in. Again, there was no anti-aircraft fire. No German night fighters met the bombers either.
One whole U.S. Bomb group bombed the wrong city. (They mistakenly bombed Prague, Czechoslovakia)
The result, according to this book, was the death of 135,000 people in one day. The results caused a furor in London and Washington, D.C. "Were terror raids being conducted or strategic bombing of industrial facilities?"
The book covers the grisly recovery and attempts to identify bodies. The well-organized Germans did their best under the circumstances. However, four buckets of gold wedding bands tagged from bodies for identification (the wearers initials and sometimes wedding dates were engraved) disappeared when the Red Army took them. As can be imagined, there was much finger pointing among the Allies. That too is covered in the book.
One thing to take away from reading this was my wondering how modern emergency preparedness measures would do under such circumstances.
Didnt some of the US bombers bomb Czechoslovakia instead of Dresden on that raid? From Wiki 316 B-17 Flying Fortresses bombed Dresden, dropping 771 tons of bombs.[72][73] The remaining 115 bombers from the stream of 431 misidentified their targets. Sixty bombed Prague, dropping 153 tons of bombs, while others bombed Brux and Pilsen.In "The Destruction of Dresden" by Avid Irving (1963), the author reviews the British night bombing strategy and implimentation that led up to that raid. He passes on some information that is not brought up by others. For example, we are so used to the way American bomber raids were organized and carried out that we skip over the RAF ways. For example - night bombers were given the target and suggested flight paths, then each bomber took off on its own to find that target, hopefully designated by colored flares dropped by pathfinders who flew in while there was still some daylight, or twilight. They did not fly in formation and rarely saw another bomber in their group unless the moon was out. Often they would just see the flames as another bomber went down. This made it difficult to report back on who's plane they saw go down.
RAF crews had a derogotory name for planes that went out in the dark, dumped their bombs (not on the target) and came back. They were called Rabbits. The first serious bombing survey done by the RAF showed remarkably small amount of bombs were dropped even within 5 miles of the target.
Also, German hospitals were marked with blue lights on the roof.
It sometimes had exactly the same accuracy because they used exactly the same equipment, most of the US bombers that bombed Dresden used H2X.Not 'afraid', just shifted doctrine to match reality.
Once the RAF had blind bombing aids, night time bombing accuracy was no worse, and often better, than daylight raids.
Its also glossed over that once the USAAF had the P-51B, a significant part of the heavy bombers mission was to force the Luftwaffe to come up and fight and be destroyed in detail over the Reich.
Agreed, although dad used the more biblical "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" or would paraphrase "Professing themselves to be wise, they prove themselves fools".I skimed through some of this clip. While very informative, in my opinion the title of this clip, although a very poor attempt to be thought-provoking, is an insult to those who flew in bomber command. it's a well-known fact why bomber command operated at night. My dad used to have a saying, "so smart, but yet so dumb."
In "The Destruction of Dresden" by Avid Irving (1963), the author reviews the British night bombing strategy and implimentation that led up to that raid. He passes on some information that is not brought up by others. For example, we are so used to the way American bomber raids were organized and carried out that we skip over the RAF ways. For example - night bombers were given the target and suggested flight paths, then each bomber took off on its own to find that target, hopefully designated by colored flares dropped by pathfinders who flew in while there was still some daylight, or twilight. They did not fly in formation and rarely saw another bomber in their group unless the moon was out. Often they would just see the flames as another bomber went down. This made it difficult to report back on who's plane they saw go down.
RAF crews had a derogotory name for planes that went out in the dark, dumped their bombs (not on the target) and came back. They were called Rabbits. The first serious bombing survey done by the RAF showed remarkably small amount of bombs were dropped even within 5 miles of the target.
Also, German hospitals were marked with blue lights on the roof.
In clear air over California, the Norden sight could indeed hit targets with extradonary precious, but…It sometimes had exactly the same accuracy because they used exactly the same equipment, most of the US bombers that bombed Dresden used H2X.
Well its a pretty stupid way to frame the question of bomber losses anyway, for a start, no airman in the world could refuse to fly a mission, its orders, you go.
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