Doughboy
Staff Sergeant
Yes, but the .30 Remington pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,390 FPS and a 7.62 NATO pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,800 FPS... The .30 Remington is an underpowered round as far as the .30 caliber's go.
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Yes, but the .30 Remington pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,390 FPS and a 7.62 NATO pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,800 FPS... The .30 Remington is an underpowered round as far as the .30 caliber's go.THe M-1 used the 30-06 because They didn't want two cartrirdges in the supply chain. The .276 Pederson for the M-1 and the 30-06 for machineguns.
There were several 30-06 military cartridges. The original one with a 150 grain flat based bullet at about 2700fps. A 172 grain bullet was added for machinegun use that ranged much further. THis round was considered to cause too much barrel erosion in the M-1 and to kick too much so a NEW 150 grain load was adopted which gave the same ballistics as the original but at much lower pressure due to the new (1930s) powder.
As far as size and weight go.
Some sources claim the AK-47 weighs 9.5 lbs with an empty magazine and the StG 44 was even heavier.
Is lighter better? yes, but lets not get all bent out of shape at how much lighter assault rifles were when many of them weren't.
And the M-1 wan't any longer than most peaples bolt action rifles.
By the way the .30 Remington uses a 51mm long case. The case may be just a bit skinner but a loaded round (even with a 150 grain spitzer bullet) would have about the same lenght as a 7.62 Nato round. Action will be a whopping 12-13mm shorter than the M-1 action.
We should've just stuck with the 30-03.
I have only one reason at to why I said that.Well, if you want to look at it that way, we should've just stuck with the 30-40.
I have only one reason at to why I said that.I wanted to make all you people run to google, to find out what the 30-03 is!EDIT: The 30-03 is more powerul than the 30-40.
That's a little to modern for my tastes.Then tell us about the German GeCo, 7.75x39mm
That's a little to modern for my tastes.
Why? The F4U Corsair in my sig was made during ww2, not in modern times!Then your signature photo should be changed to the "other" Corsair, the O2U.
Why? The F4U Corsair in my sig was made during ww2, not in modern times!
Okay, you're right....But considering I'm 12 I'm not suprised I've never heard of it.Neither was the German GeCo, 7.75x39mm
Yes, but the .30 Remington pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,390 FPS and a 7.62 NATO pushes a 150 grain bullet at 2,800 FPS... The .30 Remington is an underpowered round as far as the .30 caliber's go.
But considering I'm 12 I'm not suprised I've never heard of it.
It maybe under powered (gee, the rimless version of round designed with a couple of years of the 30-40 Krag?) compared to some other .30 caliber rifle cartidges but that doesn't mean it would have made a good assault rifle cartridge in the 1930s as it stood.
It was too big ( actions not much shorter and lighter than 30-06 actions and magazines might only show a 10% gain in capacity) and even using a 150 grain bullet at 2390 it had about 20% more recoil than 7.62x39 per shot in the same weight rifle so full auto fire wold still be rather problematic.
It works now (6.8mm Rem SPC) because the cartridge has been shortend, necked down to a smaller diameter bullet (can we all say .276 Pederson?) and loaded with newer powders to higher pressures.
A little hot humid weather doesn't ground a Corsair!
We've had a really rainy year this year.A little hot humid weather doesn't ground a Corsair!
When Patton died, it still was as far as he knew. Sorry, I know you love your antiques but it is still just as antiquated as the trapdoor Springfield. Too awkward, too heavy, not enough ammo capacity, gimmicky reloading. Gimme a lighter more ergonomic gun in a more accurate cartridge.A 7.5 pound 30-06 has 20 foot pounds of recoil! The M1 Garand is a 10 pound rifle and it's semi-automatic ( that takes away alot of kick)!
EDIT: I asked my dad and he said the M1 Garand is a gentle gun to shoot... My dad has handled both those rifles and he doesn't think the M1 Garand is dopic.... My Grandfather had 2 M1 Garand's and I have held both his M1's and I don't find them to be dopic.
BTW, if the M1 is so dopic, then why did Patton call it the best battle implement ever devised?