Venomstick121
Airman 1st Class
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- Dec 21, 2023
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You might as well ask "What if Napoleon had a B-52 at the Battle of Waterloo?" There would have been no invasion without the expectation of air superiority.
Air to air supriority was as the previous posters say not going to happen. Lots of reasons for that.How would it affect the outcome? I know there is no way to perfectly gauge the destruction.
To be fair, the Luftwaffe also sucked the Allied airforces into attacking defunct V1 sites that were 'flak traps', albeit Hitler's impatience atYeah, Allied air superiority was considered a vital condition by SHAEF for Overlord's success. That's why both Bomber Command and 8th AF spent a couple of months bombing between Calais-Paris-Avranches, to suck the Luftwaffe into battle where possible while isolating the battlefield.
If that hadn't worked, the attack may have gone in anyway; Overlord had already been delayed a month by bottlenecks in landing craft, and Stalin was getting real pissy by now over the "lack of a second front." Had it gone in with air superiority contested, it would have been bloody, but still successful, I believe.
V1 were launched in the direction of the target. Time required to set up new sites targeting Normandy. V1 & V2 were not that accurate. A port consists largely of water.Air to air supriority was as the previous posters say not going to happen. Lots of reasons for that.
But for sake of what if: what about attacking the mulbery's with v-1 or v-2.
Which the Germans didn't know about. Pin point target for a not very accurate weapon.And the camouflaged fuel pumping stations established at Sandown on the Isle of Wight, and at Dungeness on the Kent coast, which were connected to the Avonmouth-Thames pipeline.
Again, the German intelligence have to learn about one of the most secret sites in Britain.Target Bletchley Park in a massive raid like the one on Peenemünde.
You see that supriority is possible if the Germans had a system like Ultra had many rockets
Never forget the Allies were no dummies and only went ahead if they were convinced of victory.
But not al is. That why it is a prize target for every side. Besides that 1 hit will to an awful lot of destructionA port consists largely of water.
No kidding? V-1 could have been launched and were from the air. Remember its a what if.V1 were launched in the direction of the target.
Again Remember its a what if.Which the Germans didn't know about
Pin point target for a not very accurate weapon.
Again, the German intelligence have to learn about one of the most secret sites in Britain.
Dover was shelled by German artillery from September 1940 to September 1944 yet remained a viable port.But not al is. That why it is a prize target for every side. Besides that 1 hit will to an awful lot of destruction .
V-1 & V-2 aimed at the Normandy beaches might have killed more Germans than Allies. A German infantry unit that arrived in the Hurtgen Forest in 1944 was hit by an errant V-1. They said that V-1 stood for Versager-1 (Failure Number 1).Air to air supriority was as the previous posters say not going to happen. Lots of reasons for that.
But for sake of what if: what about attacking the mulbery's with v-1 or v-2. And the camouflaged fuel pumping stations established at Sandown on the Isle of Wight, and at Dungeness on the Kent coast, which were connected to the Avonmouth-Thames pipeline.
Target Bletchley Park in a massive raid like the one on Peenemünde.
You see that supriority is possible if the Germans had a system like Ultra had many rockets
Never forget the Allies were no dummies and only went ahead if they were convinced of victory.
Never forget the Allies were no dummies and only went ahead if they were convinced of victory.
Well, since the V-1 had the Circular Error Probable calibrated in Area Codes (Basically a major portion of a U.S. State, and the V-2 CEP was at best a ZIP Code (Postal Code for you Europeans) hitting anything like a point target was Right Out - Consider the attempts to used V-2s to take out the Ludendorf Bridge at Remagen - the only time a Vp2 was fired from a surveyed (And thus precisely known) Launch Point to a Surveyed target. They missed by over 1 km.Air to air supriority was as the previous posters say not going to happen. Lots of reasons for that.
But for sake of what if: what about attacking the mulbery's with v-1 or v-2. And the camouflaged fuel pumping stations established at Sandown on the Isle of Wight, and at Dungeness on the Kent coast, which were connected to the Avonmouth-Thames pipeline.
Target Bletchley Park in a massive raid like the one on Peenemünde.
You see that supriority is possible if the Germans had a system like Ultra had many rockets
Never forget the Allies were no dummies and only went ahead if they were convinced of victory.
Jeeze, 1km, that'd make ol' 'Moon Unit' Von Braun happy, that,s another feat for the 1st complex machine to smash the sound barrier, on itsWell, since the V-1 had the Circular Error Probable calibrated in Area Codes (Basically a major portion of a U.S. State, and the V-2 CEP was at best a ZIP Code (Postal Code for you Europeans) hitting anything like a point target was Right Out - Consider the attempts to used V-2s to take out the Ludendorf Bridge at Remagen - the only time a Vp2 was fired from a surveyed (And thus precisely known) Launch Point to a Surveyed target. They missed by over 1 km.
IN order to hit the camouflaged pumping stations, you have to know that they';re there. German Aerial Reconnaissance, was, shall we say,. absent. It wasn't until Late July p August 1944 that the Luftwaffe was able to get a pair of prototype Ar234s forward, and fly some recon covers over Britain and the French Coast. By that time, the Germans had no trouble knowing where the Allies were.
The same goes for Bletchley Park. Can't hit it if you don't know about it.
If you ever get the chance to compare an A-4/V-2 with Robert Goddard's later rockets you'll find, well, no difference (Except, on some, the locations of the fuel and oxidizer tanks were reversed. Streamlined hull, gyroscopic stabilization/navigation, jet vanes for steering under power, turbopumps - they're all there.Jeeze, 1km, that'd make ol' 'Moon Unit' Von Braun happy, that,s another feat for the 1st complex machine to smash the sound barrier, on its
way into space on a ballistic trajectory, & deliver its Amazon package, ah, sorry, I meant warhead, to that level of accuracy very nearly 80 y/o!
Tell that to dumb-arse Generation Z types who think the Apollo Program was a fake... because computers were y'know, like stone age.. then..
Goddard's was surely a mere 'nickel rocket' by comparison; what Mach # did it make; did it get in to space, straight up?If you ever get the chance to compare an A-4/V-2 with Robert Goddard's later rockets you'll find, well, no difference (Except, on some, the locations of the fuel and oxidizer tanks were reversed. Streamlined hull, gyroscopic stabilization/navigation, jet vanes for steering under power, turbopumps - they're all there.
Goddard just wasn't building them as big - for one thing, he didn't want to go chasing the bloody things 100 miles across the desert.
von Braun himself acknowledged this when he was being interviewed before going to Ft. Bliss.
V-2 wasn't teh first "complex machine" to go supersonic - that's Goddard, too.