manta22
Banned
1979???????????? ...with JohnBoy?"All Quiet On The Western Front" (1979 release)
What Is The Last Movie/Show You Saw? (3 Viewers)
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Yep, and Cmdr. McHale, Heinrich Himmler and Bilbo Baggins...
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
One of best movies about WW1!"All Quiet On The Western Front" (1979 release)
manta22
Banned
This is the most depressing movie I've ever seen. It is very well done, though.
The U.S. and the Holocaust, A new documentary by Ken Burns, Lynn Novick and Sarah Botstein
manta22
Banned
I've watched his series so far and I'm very disappointed in Ken Burns.
Having not seen it myself, what disappointed you?
manta22
Banned
It's his adopting the latest vogue- "everything is our fault".
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I was not impressed - also, his interview about making the movie was somewhat out there, too.
Stating that the U.S. could have done more to stop Hitler's deathcamps does not take into account that the U.S. (and Allies) first had to know about them.
His suggestion that the U.S. could have bombed the roads and railways leading to the camps also suggests that he has little understanding of how that works.
Aside from knowing where the camps were, many were far too deep into Axis held territory to be reached. Bombing the roads and rails would have only caused a delay and been repaired by slave labor. If the bomb damage was extensive, the victims would have been disembarked and forced marched to the camp.
There was also some views he has about current U.S. politics and "similarities" to Nazi Germany that raised my hackles, but I won't go there.
special ed
2nd Lieutenant
- 5,720
- May 13, 2018
"China Clipper" Many good sequences of Martin's M-130, some of a Sikorsky twin flying boat, Ford trimotor, and a very brief view of a Consolidated Commodore.
Just curious, did you watch the whole thing?
Reports where coming back to the US and Britain very early in the war, examples cited in the documentary. I thought as you did that we didn't know until later, but that is factually not true.
I don't recall Ken Burns making any suggestions during the entire 6+ hours. In fact I didn't hear from him once. The request was made during the war that once we landed in Europe (Italy) that those camps were now in range of of bombers, but was dismissed out of hand as not practical. One historian stating that it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, where one would always wonder what would happen if we chose the other option.
It's interesting that you say "Bombing the roads and rails would have only caused a delay and been repaired by slave labor. If the bomb damage was extensive, the victims would have been disembarked and forced marched to the camp." because that opinion was put forward in the documentary as well. The speed at which railroads were repaired would have necessitated constant revisits to keep out of service. That being said, I don't understand why you would put this forth as a knock on the doc, when they basically said the same thing.
And last but not least, juxtaposing Germany in the 1930's and the US in the 20 teens and 20's seemed pretty spot on if you remove yourself and take an objective look.
Not sure what you expect from a documentary named "The US and the Holocaust". It certainly did call out multiple other countries for their dispassionate responses to reports coming out of the Reich. My impression from watching the documentary was that we did more than any other nation. But unfortunately due to various factors we couldn't or didn't do more. Seemed like they backed it all up with polls taken at various times during the war as well as State Department reticence. Dismissing it as the vogue of everything is our fault hits wide of the mark I think. I feel no guilt or shame as I was not even born until decades later. I take it as history, the good with the bad, and try...try to learn from it.
-"China Clipper", 1936, on Turner Classic Movies. Recorded it and just got around to watch it. As a movie it's pretty bad, with Pat O'Brien as the boss from hell. Written by Frank "Spig" Wead, it also stars Humphrey Bogart. In a real Hollywood coincidence, Wayne Morris has his movie debut as the Clipper's navigator crossing the Pacific. In a few years he would be a Navy fighter pilot in VF-15 in the Essex flying the Pacific for real.
-The real reason to watch the movie is to catch the period aircraft. I couldn't identify many of them but found links that did. The aircraft used in China Clipper are: Martin M-130, Lockheed Vega, Fokker F-10A, Douglas Dolphin, Consolidated Model 16 Commodore, Sikorsky S-40, Sikorsky S-42 Clipper, Ford Trimotor and two Keystone bombers (?). Great views of the M-130 flying over the uncompleted Golden Gate Bridge. Paul Mantz did the aerial photography although a lot of stock footage was used.
-Best lines in the movie:
(1) Hap Stuart: Watta yuh do when the wings fall off? Dave Logan: Take a train, sucker.
(2) Dave Logan: Why weren't you born twins? Then you'd be twice as silly.
-As a movie I'd give it two stars, but to cut from footage of one plane to the next I'd give four out of five.
-The real reason to watch the movie is to catch the period aircraft. I couldn't identify many of them but found links that did. The aircraft used in China Clipper are: Martin M-130, Lockheed Vega, Fokker F-10A, Douglas Dolphin, Consolidated Model 16 Commodore, Sikorsky S-40, Sikorsky S-42 Clipper, Ford Trimotor and two Keystone bombers (?). Great views of the M-130 flying over the uncompleted Golden Gate Bridge. Paul Mantz did the aerial photography although a lot of stock footage was used.
-Best lines in the movie:
(1) Hap Stuart: Watta yuh do when the wings fall off? Dave Logan: Take a train, sucker.
(2) Dave Logan: Why weren't you born twins? Then you'd be twice as silly.
-As a movie I'd give it two stars, but to cut from footage of one plane to the next I'd give four out of five.
Bullet Train....I liked it.
Invincible - S1E1,2&3
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
The Iron Giant
Lucky13
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Movie night....just to show that I possess some culture! 
Lucky13
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Just picked up....
special ed
2nd Lieutenant
- 5,720
- May 13, 2018
A bit of New Orleans' trivia. The founder, Al Copeland, of Pop Eyes chicken had converted his unsucessful donut shop to fried chicken and was about to open but with out a name. His wife insisted he take a break and see a movie. Unable to enjoy "The French Connection" because of the stress, when Gene Hackman burst in and Yelled "Pop Eyes here", Al stood in the theater and said that's it. The rest is history.
