What of the Me 410?

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This may help somewhat, Me410 Kennblatt.
 

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I converted the pages by Crumpp into an easier pdf file for those that wish to view it that way.
 

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the max speed is 590 km/h, commonly the max speed is inicated in over 620 km/h, i suppose that 9.5 tons configuration is not clean or free bomb bay, true ?
 
That´s some brilliant piece of documentation Herr Crumpp.

It adds strenght to some points i discussed in the past with regard to fuel tank capacity for the Me 410 (ie. priceless fuel was being alloted in large numbers to keep the Me 410s of ZG 26 and ZG 76 in operations for 1944).
 
we need a Deutsch speaking

Got it. I might have some experience with German aircraft.....

All though when it takes a month to figure out where the left or right handed waffengeber is located because none of the native speakers can agree on what the waffengeber actually is on the aircraft.

edit - It's the master solenoid for synchronization of the FW190 fuselage weapons.

Yup, thats what it says

Thank you Soren. Your effort is appreciated.

All the best,

Crumpp
 
That´s some brilliant piece of documentation Herr Crumpp.

Enjoy it!

Once again, don't forget a dollar or two to the Fighter Aircraft Foundation when you get that big tax refund!

 

Udet, you are correct on this point. The Germans made the same mistake as the British did in 41/42 of trying to build too many bombers and not keeping air superiority as the highest priority.

Looking from the British point of view, the disaster in Malaya in '41 was mainly because of a lack of air support, the situation would have changed dramaticly if they had another 200 - 300 Hurricanes. Yet at the same time they were losing 150 - 200 bombers / month in the ETO. (1000+ aircrew!) Because Portal Harris were in control of Bomber Command the RAF, still with the pipe dream of the "Trenchard" doctrine, bombers were heavily produced at the expence of fighters.

The Germans have the same problem, Hitler's desire to strike back at Britain is the main reason that the Me 262 was first pushed as a jet (if I am not mistaken.) The Luftwaffe should have concentrated on fighters as air defence much earlier, air superiority should always be the #1 priority.
 
I speak German. I can take a crack at some translations. I cant do them immediatly however. Once things die back down at work and the hollidays are all over and done with I can take a look at the stuff.
 
Hi Vincenzo,

>the max speed is 590 km/h, commonly the max speed is inicated in over 620 km/h, i suppose that 9.5 tons configuration is not clean or free bomb bay, true ?

It's for 9500 kg flying weight with no external loads. The text notes "If 4 x 50 kg bombs are carried externally, speeds are reduced by 10 km/h."

11300 kg is the permissible maximum take-off weight, 9300 kg stated as the "average return flight weight".

The speeds in the graph are for climb and combat power (permissible for 30 min), while often top speeds are listed for emergency power (typically permissible for 5 min).

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
 
Hi
I am trying to find a photogaph of Lt Wolfgang Wenning II./KG51.
Both he and Fw Gustav Delp(W/Op)were killed on 27/04/44 when in collision
with an Airspeed Oxford, near Frankton Rugby.

thanks,
Mike.
 

GT - do you have more details on this one?

Two flights of the 354FS of the 355th FG bounced a force of approximately 20 Me 410's attacking the B-17 force short of Posnan.. for claims of 8-2-1 and awards of 6-1-4 Me 410s in the Landsberg area east of Berlin.

The 357FG shot down three near Grunberg

That doesn't quite square with the described "20 Mustangs" but the area sounds right.. any more details?
 
Hello drgondog,

Wiki says:

Moderately successful against unescorted bombers, a considerable number of kills against USAAF day bomber formations were achieved. Unfortunately for the Luftwaffe, the Me 410 was no match in a dogfight with the lighter Allied single-engine fighters such as the seven-ton P-47 Thunderbolt or the even lighter P-51 Mustang.

In the Spring of 1944 the Me 410 formations encountered swarms of Allied fighters protecting the bomber streams and their successes against escorted bombers were often offset by their losses. An example of this on 6 March 1944 saw sixteen Me 410s shot down in return for eight B-17s and four P-51s (which were destroyed by Bf 109 and Fw 190 fighters escorting the Me 410s).

The following month on 11 April II.ZG 26's Me 410s accounted for a rare success, downing ten B-17s without any losses. However the units luck ran out. During the course of the same raid their second sortie was intercepted by P-51s which destroyed eight Me 410s and three Bf 110s. Sixteen crewman were killed and three wounded

Regards
Kruska
 
on April 11 the 4th and 355th FG's hurt Me 410's in the Stettin and Pyritz area plus destroyed about 5 more "Ju188/88's" which might have been Me 410's.

In Wood's and Butler's Luftwaffe Awards list there is a May 28 claim by a ZG26 pilot on a Mustang which could very well fit the loss of Lt Barger of 354FS near Zerbst. He was last seen chasing several Me 109s along with his wingman Christensen - but the location of the crash better fits the Me 410 award than any of the Me 109 scores.

If an Me 410 snuck up on a Mustang it could sure shoot it down easily.

The 355th had several good days over Me 410's including April 11, May 12 and July 7. In each of those days multiple Ju 88's and 188's were also shot down - possibly mis identified Me 410's.

Unlike the many other 8th AF FG that encountered and shot down Me 110/210in the fall 1943 and winter 1944, the 355th Fg only shot down or damaged a grand total of 3-1-1 Me 110/210's but scored awards for 25-2-7 Me 410's and 7-2-1 Ju 88/188's... basically on four missions.
 

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