the lancaster kicks ass
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but the belgiums put up a fight, unlike france............
What was the One Thing that won WWII?
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MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
Are we back to saying bad things about the French in 1940? I know it seems like a fun pastime, but we have no French supporter. So we pick on them and there is no voice to counter. 8)
As for Belgium being a "Speed bump" that is just poor disrespect. But I think that the Allied planning and war preparations were all very bad. We tried to play nice and talk while we were very slow to bring the full war machine on line.
I should say the BEF did a very good job with the cards it was delt.
As for Belgium being a "Speed bump" that is just poor disrespect. But I think that the Allied planning and war preparations were all very bad. We tried to play nice and talk while we were very slow to bring the full war machine on line.
I should say the BEF did a very good job with the cards it was delt.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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but there was nothing we could do to stop blitzkreig, we just weren't expecting it.............
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
I will agree. I am just thinking that while every one was talking why were we not taking over more production for war? Then again Rosevelt was doing almost all he could to help with out breaking anymore laws, or turning the anti-war side out.
I just think that we could have tried to do more, but that is being able to look back at history. Just like people complain about the 11 September 2001 investigation that the CIA and FBI could not put all the little bits and some big bits all toghether in a timely maner.
I just think that we could have tried to do more, but that is being able to look back at history. Just like people complain about the 11 September 2001 investigation that the CIA and FBI could not put all the little bits and some big bits all toghether in a timely maner.
Lightning Guy
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Calling Belgium a speed bump was disrespectful and I apologize but it was an accurate description of the Allies' plans. They were only expecting Belgium to delay the Germans for a couple weeks.
The Allies didn't want Belgium as a speed bump, the Allies thought the Germans were going to attack through Belgium, and offered to set up defensive lines on the Belgium-Germany border, this, Belgium turned down.
It was Germany that only attacked Belgium as a diversionary strike, and attacked through Luxembourg, and the Ardennes into French and British held lines, the weakest part of the line though as the British were already moving north to counter the attack on Belgium.
Neither the BEF, France or Belgium were used in Plan D as a stalling component, its just thats the way the Germans played it. And Belgium never even felt the full force of the Blitzkrieg. I've already explained it all before.
It was Germany that only attacked Belgium as a diversionary strike, and attacked through Luxembourg, and the Ardennes into French and British held lines, the weakest part of the line though as the British were already moving north to counter the attack on Belgium.
Neither the BEF, France or Belgium were used in Plan D as a stalling component, its just thats the way the Germans played it. And Belgium never even felt the full force of the Blitzkrieg. I've already explained it all before.
the lancaster kicks ass
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it's ironic really that the only country germany declared war on was america.............
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
Why they were already fighting everybody elts why have to declair war after you already are in it? Maybe they thought that the Americans needed to be treated differently.
Germany declared war on America on the 9th December 1941, two days after America declared war on Japan (German Ally) for the attack on Pearl Harbour.
Britain and France declared war on Germany 3rd September 1939, and Soviet Union declared war on June 22nd 1941 (Within the hour of invasion).
The Germans were not in a war with America, and war had already been declared on Germany by everyone else. In the Geneva Convention it states you must declare war before aggresive acts. They didn't want to commit a war crime, a bit silly really as they already had done, several times.
It was actually more of a propaganda thing, saying to the SU, Britain and France 'look America won't even help you, we declared war on them'
Britain and France declared war on Germany 3rd September 1939, and Soviet Union declared war on June 22nd 1941 (Within the hour of invasion).
The Germans were not in a war with America, and war had already been declared on Germany by everyone else. In the Geneva Convention it states you must declare war before aggresive acts. They didn't want to commit a war crime, a bit silly really as they already had done, several times.
It was actually more of a propaganda thing, saying to the SU, Britain and France 'look America won't even help you, we declared war on them'
Lightning Guy
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I heard a guy present a paper on how Germany declaring war on America was its biggest mistake. I'm not sure I buy into that notion has America would have ended up declaring war on the Germans anyway.
That's a stupid idea, it sounds like a 'America won the war' idea. America probably would have done, but it didn't really want to. And with good reason, it probably would have met with a senior British official before thinking about it. The reason being you think about things before you do them, and as Britain was already in America would have been thinking how Britain would aid them if they got involved.
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
So if Germany was declairing war only on America, how was that propaganda, or not a warcrime? I am a little confused with it. Interesting that the soviets were to declare war while the invasion was going on. It makes me think that Stalin really was just waiting for the war as they were, but Hitler came early.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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i take it belgium and poland didn't have time to declair war??
It's not Germany only declaring war on America, it's Germany declaring war on America before America declaring war on them which is the propaganda stunt.
If you declare war before you attack, your attack is not a war crime.
Stalin was looking for war, he knew it was coming and was gearing up for it and would be ready by 1942 that's why I always say Hitler was much smarter doing it when he did than leaving it later.
In the Geneva Convention an aggressive act is a declaration of war, so for the attacked state there is no need for a declaration of war. That's why I never see the point in Stalins declaration, maybe he just wanted to give Churchill the message that he is against Hitler, loud and clear.
If you declare war before you attack, your attack is not a war crime.
Stalin was looking for war, he knew it was coming and was gearing up for it and would be ready by 1942 that's why I always say Hitler was much smarter doing it when he did than leaving it later.
In the Geneva Convention an aggressive act is a declaration of war, so for the attacked state there is no need for a declaration of war. That's why I never see the point in Stalins declaration, maybe he just wanted to give Churchill the message that he is against Hitler, loud and clear.
Erich
the old Sage
actually Germany made an undeclared statement of war on the US due to the shipping support of arms and equipment to Great Britain as the U-boots were unleashed to their maximum efforts to bring the shipping lanes under the subs control. A very seldom looked at part of the war but where the aspects of sea-borne aviation unfold during mid and late war.
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Lightning Guy
Master Sergeant
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Possible. As you mentioned, Germany's decleration against America was predominately a propoganda move. Stalin's may well have been as well.
the lancaster kicks ass
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but what does it achive...............
That's like saying 'what does propaganda achieve?'. It's a stunt to gain support for you, or lower support for your enemy.
In Germanys case with the declaration against America before America declared war on them, I think it was a way to say that America wasn't Britains real ally they were just using Britain.
This obviously didn't work, but it didn't take much to take the chance. In their opinion it might have worked.
That is just what I think, I don't actually know why they did it apart from the obvious that America declared war on Japan, Germanys ally. And Germany had a pact with Japan, so it declared war on America. Maybe that's the only reason, to keep up its side of the bargain with Japan.
In Germanys case with the declaration against America before America declared war on them, I think it was a way to say that America wasn't Britains real ally they were just using Britain.
This obviously didn't work, but it didn't take much to take the chance. In their opinion it might have worked.
That is just what I think, I don't actually know why they did it apart from the obvious that America declared war on Japan, Germanys ally. And Germany had a pact with Japan, so it declared war on America. Maybe that's the only reason, to keep up its side of the bargain with Japan.
the lancaster kicks ass
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did they declair war on america before their involvement in europe??
Germany declared war on America on the 9th December 1941, two days after Pearl Harbour.
And since the American forces never really got involved in Europe until 1943 (Not including the air force who were there in late 1942), that's almost a year before America in Europe.
And since the American forces never really got involved in Europe until 1943 (Not including the air force who were there in late 1942), that's almost a year before America in Europe.
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