That Junkers jet in aforementioned comment of mine.
Ta-183 had entered wind tunnel...but that simple Junkers jet data is not available.
What would have been the ultimate German jet fighter design to go into service? (3 Viewers)
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Ta-183 had entered wind tunnel...but that simple Junkers jet data is not available.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Capt. Brown.
bada
Airman 1st Class
You can read extract from Brown's book in the following post filed with ramblings:
Otherwise, the Ta-183 is looking good but i'd rather propose the following airplane as the ultimate german jet: Me-1112
Howard Gibson
Staff Sergeant
Eric Brown definitely flew Me262s. He had a very high opinion of it. He also flew Gloster Meteors, de Havilland Vampires, and a Bell P59. Meteors in particular, got very much faster after the war.
Weren't the germans suffering of skilled pilots...I recall some Voksjäger pilots had just passed glider flights in some cases....just kids.
Focke-Wulf Ta 183
it's basically a Vampire
it's basically a Vampire
Howard Gibson
Staff Sergeant
The Volksjaeger concept was a Nazi fantasy. Brown was impressed with the He162, but he found the landings and takeoffs to be tricky.
We are discussing the aircraft here, not the poor schmuks who had to fly them.
No you don't clearly see the picture here.
Why design a plane that 99% cannot fly ?
That simple Junkers jet would have been an optimal solution. Clearly slow...but faster than enemy planes...easy to take off and land.
It was a plane where a pilot could get out without getting sucked into the engine. Volksjäger was only built because Heinkel built it before the competotion was even held and it was ready.
It cannot?
Howard Gibson
Staff Sergeant
99% is a bit of an exaggeration. The He162 was equipped with an ejector seat.
Ok...you got me there...I had no idea it had an E-seat:
Yes, the Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger was designed and equipped with an explosive-cartridge-fired ejection seat as standard equipment. [1, 2]
- Why it was needed: The single BMW turbojet engine was mounted directly on top of the fuselage behind the cockpit, making a standard bailout extremely dangerous because the pilot would likely strike the engine or tail. [1, 2, 3]
- How it worked: The seat used a gunpowder cartridge (Schleudersitz Heinkel-Kartusche) to forcefully propel the pilot upward and clear of the airframe and engine. [1, 2, 3]
- Significance: It was one of the earliest operational ejection seats in military aviation history and the first to be fitted as standard in a production single-engine jet fighter. [1, 2, 3]
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MIflyer
Major
Without a doubt, this one. Oh, wait, or did you mean in WW2?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
No, the He162 was not built before the "competition" (Emergency Fighter Program) was issued.
It was selected from 34 submissions due to it's construction and use of already available parts and non-strategic materials.
As far as the ejection seat is concerned, Heinkel developed their system, first used on the He280 jet and then later on the He219. Dornier also used the system on the Do335.
I have to check that...I have the Heinkel book he wrote.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Jägernotprogramm was issued in July 1944 and the requirements finalized in September 1944.
As I mentioned above, there were 34 submissions. Many were simply not realistic, however a few were, such as the He162, Ta183 and the Me P.1101 (Bell Aircraft used the design to build their X-5) to name a few.
Heinkel, like several other aircraft firms, had "paper projects" they had been working on. One such project was the P.1073 and with a few modifications to conform the the Emergency Fighter Program specifications, were able to quickly submit a proposal that the RLM accepted.
The He162 did not physically exist before September 1944.
No...sorry...got the designation wrong. I will self flagulate later.
What I meant was the Focke-Wulf Flitzer! Yes!
Howard Gibson
Staff Sergeant
I was just checking back on old posts on this thread.
The Me262 and He162 came too late to create a crisis for the allies. There was a crisis back in 1941. The Fw190s had established near complete superiority over the Spitfire_Vs, and they were flying hit and run air raids over England. Something had to be done. Enter the Hawker Typhoons. The Typhoons had the performance and the firepower to catch and shoot down the Fw190s. The engines had lifespans about equivalent to the early German turbojets, and the tails were coming off. Under civilized conditions, the Typhoons would not have reached service, but conditions were not civilized.
The actual bottleneck in the Germany was the development of reliable turbojets. If the Germans somehow get these into service a year earlier, then allied air superiority becomes a crisis. The Gloster Meteors and Lockheed P80s are produced and shoved into service before the aircraft are properly debugged.
Yes the entire German air force chief of staff was very weird...Udet and Jeschonneck suicides clearly paints a picture that political desicions and poor ability to make right moves about airplanes types to be debveloped was chaotic.
Hans Jeschonnek - Wikipedia
Ernst Udet – Wikipedia
No 4 engine bomber....and fighter that was too much in take offs and landings for many pilots etc.
Buyt I bet a nation under dictatorship causes this kinda failures.
