What's on The Workbench

[fubar57]

Thank you kind sir. Off to paint the yellow (groooooaaan) under surface. I notice that the wing guns will have to be removed as well.

I'm thinking this is a colorized photo. I don't have the unit badge on the tail. If I can't find it or make it, the model will be depicted as just seconds before the badge was added.



Geo

 

[Wurger]

You are right. The underwing fairings of the MG FF cannons were removed. Or the wings are from another Bf 109E-(1 ?). It seems the kite was a mix one.

 

[fubar57]

According to what I found out so far, it was pieced together from several fallen aircraft. Crap.....now I'm off to check the wing differences.............................



Geo

 

[Wurger]

Yep.. I found the same info. According to one of references the Bf 109E got the tail section from Bf 109E W.N.6313. Also one of wings required replacing. Looking at these pics above I would say both of them were replaced. I have checked on the Bf 109 of the Werk Nummer 6313. It was Bf109E-1/B White G. And I wouldn't be surprised the both of wings were takne from the plane too. Here a couple of shots I found via the net.

 

[fubar57]

Dang...trying to avoid grinding. Found a photo of AE479 in the air. Would this be the gun fairing of a -4. The squared off canopy is a -4 version but many -3s were retrofitted with them.

Geo

 

[Wurger]

The E-3 had the same cannon bulges there. Both wings looked exactly the same. Here two shots of the AE749 undersides.

 

[fubar57]

Outstanding Wojtek, AE749 it is then. Last question, would it also have been painted yellow on the bottom? I'm not very good at interpreting B/W photos though I think yellow was a standard practice with captured aircraft.


Geo

 

[Wurger]

IMHO the undersides were of the yellow. But judging by these shots of bottom areas of the plane , quite dirty, especially at the fusealge.
Additionally the image of her tops reveals the quite big, yellow square of the gas detector and a couple of differences of the camo colours at the ailerons/flaps areas.

I'm not sure whether it is an origin, colour image taken in the USA but it can confirm the yellow colour of undersides.

 

[fubar57]

More good stuff my friend. The colors on the trailing edges look suspiciously like the remains of the Luftwaffe colors....

Geo

 

[Wurger]

It is possible. There are next pics of her but I have to find them. In mean time , an another colour pic.

 

[Wurger]

Here is a shot of a quite nice res. It might have been that the port aileron and flap were taken from another plane. Therefore the differences.

Found at The Aviation Photo Company | Captured German Types

 

[fubar57]

Found another site that says the aircraft was and E-3, white 1. It says the newer canopy and tail were replaced following an accident at the A&AEE at Boscombe Down on January 5, 1941. No mention of other parts replaced.




Geo

 

[Wurger]

Yes found the same info too. Of course we can say it is the light trick because of the fabric skin of the ailerons and flaps. Anyway there are traces of fresh re-paiting at a couple of areas. That may be suggested by the dark spot at the starboard wing tip.

 

[fubar57]

Sounds good. Yet another site mentions that because the tail was a replacement, part of it maintained the RLM 65 under surface color. Notice the strut and elevators.

Geo

 

[Wurger]

It is very likely. In "Militaria i Faktyng" magazine no.49 the replacig of the tail is also mentioned. However the the extent of the work done isn't known. But both shots of the undersides in the post #5786 show the different shades of the stabilizers and elevators.

 

[fubar57]

Time to paint. At some point in it's captured career it had fresh paint so that's the way she will be, moderately weathered after the new parts were installed. Thank you very much for your input Wojtek, always greatly appreciated.




Geo

 

[fubar57]

Mmmmmmm....yellow...

Upon further browsing, I found that the French repainted the aircraft first and when it was handed over to the British, it was re-repainted. Might this be the discrepancy in the colors. I used the RGB numbers/letters on Paint4models.com to make these. Not gospel but note the difference...

For some reason, I can't get onto Urban's Color Reference Charts anymore. It would be a shame if were shut down.



Geo

 

[Wurger]

You are welcome , my friend.

Can't you access the IPMS Stockholm site? Strange... I can.

Try to the links ...

Urban's Color Reference Charts - Part I

Urban's Color Reference Charts - Part II

 

[Wurger]

And additional two shots of her in the USA...

 

[fubar57]

Those are the links I have but when I tried to access yesterday a page popped up saying I wasn't authorized to visit the site. I can get to the site now but when I go to a country and click on a number, I get this...

Might be a site maintenance thing on their end. Anyhoo....I notice there is now a unit badge below the windscreen since it's arrival in the U.S. Painting little bits while the yellow dries.




Geo