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I take it you meant that the location of the max T/C was at those points. An airfoil with a T/C of 60% would be rather thick.
Correct - I edited it for clarity. The max T/C was 16.5% at Root chord and at location 37.5% of chord.
Edit: Some great information in your post. Do you know the dates of when they started & finished design work on the airfoil?
During the full scale wind tunnel tests at NACA Langley, the P-63 in full sealed condition had a CDo of .0171 compared to P-51B value of .0173 (strictly due to the P-63 wing when compared to P-39) but when both restored to 'as delivered' condition the P-63 had a CDo of .0221 vs .0201 for the P-51B. The test velocity conditions were at 100mph, or RN of approximately 1.84x10^6. Th production methods and surface preparation were superior with respect to 'standard' aircraft delivered.In fact, the term "laminar flow" wing is misleading, as the surface is not smooth enough to prevent turbulent flow. There was a Royal Air Establishment study that used a P-63 with polished filler paint, and that specific airplane attained laminar flow on the wing up to 60% of the chord behind the leading edge; however, the measured waviness of the surface was found to be less than 0.005 inches, unattainable in the field.
Was the P-53 or P-60 designed to use laminar-flow wings?
Oh that's pretty cool. I didn't know that. That said, I doubt they were anywhere near as good as the P-51 Mustang.Yes.
Well, they're smaller than the FW-190 and the 109.Spontaneously I would say the Yakovlev's wings are less draggy than those of Me 109 and Fw 190....
That said, I doubt the P-60 measured upAs several people have mentioned, no production aircraft achieved laminar flow for any significant benefit. The P-51 achieved a low parasite drag number, by paying close attention to manufacturing processes, primarily bumps, better skin joints to reduce gaps and forward facing steps, and better detail design to eliminate unnecessary roughness and protruberances.
As several people have mentioned, no production aircraft achieved laminar flow for any significant benefit. The P-51 achieved a low parasite drag number, by paying close attention to manufacturing processes, primarily bumps, better skin joints to reduce gaps and forward facing steps, and better detail design to eliminate unnecessary roughness and protruberances.
Dr Hoerner devotes an entire chapter analyzing the Bf 109. Chapter 14 "Fluid Dynamic Drag" - see pg 14-9 for tables of comparisons between Bf 109 and P-51 in which both CDt and CDw are ~ 2x over the Mustang..tomo pauk
Hello.
You once wrote that the airfoil of the Me 109 / Ki-61 had been obsolete and quite draggy. Could you tell where you have read that?
tomo pauk
Hello.
You once wrote that the airfoil of the Me 109 / Ki-61 had been obsolete and quite draggy. Could you tell where you have read that?
Hi Tomo - check the source for 0.0089 value for P-51 wing profile drag.Germans tested the airfoils from Bf 109, Fw 190, P-51 (and a few more), and found that wings' profile drag coefficients were 0.0101, 0.0089 and 0.0072, respectively. That is despite the wing of the Bf 109 being with the lowest t-t-c ratio.
(reference pg. 338 from book 'Vee's for victory')
Ki-61 is worse off, since it had the same profile as the Bf 109, but of greater t-t-c - 16%, ie. same as P-51. Wing area on the Ki-61 was also greater, making the wing-related drag greater still.
Hi Tomo - check the source for 0.0089 value for P-51 wing profile drag.
Germans tested the airfoils from Bf 109, Fw 190, P-51 (and a few more), and found that wings' profile drag coefficients were 0.0101, 0.0089 and 0.0072, respectively.
Germans tested the airfoils from Bf 109, Fw 190, P-51 (and a few more), and found that wings' profile drag coefficients were 0.0101, 0.0089 and 0.0072, respectively. That is despite the wing of the Bf 109 being with the lowest t-t-c ratio.
(reference pg. 338 from book 'Vee's for victory')
Ki-61 is worse off, since it had the same profile as the Bf 109, but of greater t-t-c - 16%, ie. same as P-51. Wing area on the Ki-61 was also greater, making the wing-related drag greater still.
Thanks. but what does t-t-c ratio mean?
Naive assessment: it does not depend on the bluntness of the leading edge. The 190's was more blunt than the 109's
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