I think we are actually more closer to agreement on a lot of things than we both realize. Believe it nor we are both on same side. We are both just to damn stubborn to communicate it properly. 
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Which side would you fly for?.......
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Lighthunmust
Banned
I was thinking the same myself, except I would want it to be a USAAF Mosquito. The USAAF paid better than the RAF. There is a reason for the Brits complaining about "Overpaid, Oversexed, and Over here".
I agree that history must be accurately preserved and readily available to the public. I once worked in a building formerly adorned with swastikas. I think it admirable that modern Germans have sacrificed a part of the right to free speech and expression because of their personal horror and remorse for acts of which they are not responsible. The Germans have made a choice they could through lawful procedure reverse, and have not. Making the display of symbols of hate unlawful is something that will never happen in the USA. We Americans have fellow citizens that still display and revere some symbols from our history that many feel are symbols of hate and intolerance. The problem is not the symbols of hate, it is the hate in the hearts people that create, use, and reuse symbols of hate for expressing hate.
Steve
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Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Back to the thread, albeit briefly....
Who would I fly for?
Being 6' 5" and *** stone, I would have to say that my choice is limited to those whose aircraft I could fit it
Who would I fly for?
Being 6' 5" and *** stone, I would have to say that my choice is limited to those whose aircraft I could fit it
PeanutNavy
Recruit
I'm going with allies, Because of the awesome epic planes they crashed up....i definetly would want to fly a Spitfire
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
Could you explain what you mean? I'm not sure I understand.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Arossihman
Airman
Pretty big words for an anonymous user! No one has forced you to visit this site!
Arossihman
Airman
I would fly a p-47 M variant for the U.S.! The spit was a beautiful plane but did not have the legs,survivability,or diving speed of the P-47. Not to mention the 8-.50's in the wings which if brought down on you would shred an aircraft in seconds! The U.S. may not have won the battle of britain but before you run us down too far just remember who made the daylight raids over germany and took all the high casualties bombing the 3rd reich back into the stone age!
He was not originally an anonymous user. He was removed from the site, and therefore is "anonymous".
You might want to think about what you post before posting. Making such statements as that will not win you very many friends on the forums.
The victory over Germany was a unified allied effort. All of the allied nations took great casualties to defeat Germany. Bomber Command lost over 44,000 aircrew during the war. The US 8th Air Force lost approx. 26,000 aircrew during the war. I believe total number of USAAF casualties were around 89,000, I am not sure what the total number of RAF casualties were.
I don't like to use Wikipedia as a main source, but it is almost 2 in the morning here. My football game is over and I need to get to bed, so I will resort to it...
Bomber Command crews also suffered an extremely high casualty rate: 55,573 killed out of a total of 125,000 aircrew (a 44.4% death rate), a further 8,403 were wounded in action and 9,838 became prisoners of war. This covered all Bomber Command operations including tactical support for ground operations and mining of sea lanes.[clarification needed][24] A Bomber Command crew member had a worse chance of survival than an infantry officer in World War I.[24] By comparison, the US Eighth Air Force, which flew daylight raids over Europe, had 350,000 aircrew during the war, and suffered 26,000 killed and 23,000 POWs.[24] Of the RAF Bomber Command personnel killed during the war, 72% were British, 18% were Canadian, 7% were Australian and 3% were New Zealanders. [25]
Taking an example of 100 airmen:[26]
55 killed on operations or died as result of wounds
three injured (in varying levels of severity) on operations or active service
12 taken prisoner of war (some injured)
two shot down and evaded capture
27 survived a tour of operations
In total 364,514 operational sorties were flown, 1,030,500 tons of bombs were dropped and 8,325 aircraft lost in action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Bomber_Command#Casualties
My point being here, before making such remarks, learn a bit more about the subject. Not trying to be an ass or anything, but a wise thing I have found is if you want to really study the subject and the war itself, you will have to put national views aside and try to be a bit less biased. All of the Allies did their part to win the war and took great casualties. It is debatable if any of the allied nations could have done it alone.
Now carry on...
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parsifal
Colonel
I forget who that anonymous guy was now. Gosh im gettin old....I forget a lot these days
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Arossihman
Airman
He was not originally an anonymous user. He was removed from the site, and therefore is "anonymous".
You might want to think about what you post before posting. Making such statements as that will not win you very many friends on the forums.
The victory over Germany was a unified allied effort. All of the allied nations took great casualties to defeat Germany. Bomber Command lost over 44,000 aircrew during the war. The US 8th Air Force lost approx. 26,000 aircrew during the war. I believe total number of USAAF casualties were around 89,000, I am not sure what the total number of RAF casualties were.
I don't like to use Wikipedia as a main source, but it is almost 2 in the morning here. My football game is over and I need to get to bed, so I will resort to it...
Bomber Command crews also suffered an extremely high casualty rate: 55,573 killed out of a total of 125,000 aircrew (a 44.4% death rate), a further 8,403 were wounded in action and 9,838 became prisoners of war. This covered all Bomber Command operations including tactical support for ground operations and mining of sea lanes.[clarification needed][24] A Bomber Command crew member had a worse chance of survival than an infantry officer in World War I.[24] By comparison, the US Eighth Air Force, which flew daylight raids over Europe, had 350,000 aircrew during the war, and suffered 26,000 killed and 23,000 POWs.[24] Of the RAF Bomber Command personnel killed during the war, 72% were British, 18% were Canadian, 7% were Australian and 3% were New Zealanders. [25]
Taking an example of 100 airmen:[26]
55 killed on operations or died as result of wounds
three injured (in varying levels of severity) on operations or active service
12 taken prisoner of war (some injured)
two shot down and evaded capture
27 survived a tour of operations
In total 364,514 operational sorties were flown, 1,030,500 tons of bombs were dropped and 8,325 aircraft lost in action.
RAF Bomber Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My point being here, before making such remarks, learn a bit more about the subject. Not trying to be an ass or anything, but a wise thing I have found is if you want to really study the subject and the war itself, you will have to put national views aside and try to be a bit less biased. All of the Allies did their part to win the war and took great casualties. It is debatable if any of the allied nations could have done it alone.
Now carry on...
Meant no disrespect just wanted to make sure the 8th air force boys and all the others get credit along with the valiant warriors of bomber command! Eithe rway it was a group effort and we all needed each others mutual support or failure was a very real possibility......brothers in arms!
We give credit to everyone here.
The warriors who fought in the air, no matter which nation...
Sagittario64
Airman 1st Class
I would fly for the axis. I root for the allies, but since one man cant change the course of an entire world war, id fly for the axis. of course our side would lose, but i like a challenge. give me a 109, 190, zero, c.202, heja, or iar 80 and put me up against the latest and best allied types. i would like to see how long i survive and how good i do before my eventual demise
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Blimey.
If you want a challenge the RAF had some pretty appalling aircraft to fly up against the Luftwaffe.
John
Sagittario64
Airman 1st Class
yeah that too. if i were to fly for the glorious ol' brits, tell them to put me in a defiant. im not sure of the more appalling aircraft you may have in mind, so if so, then give me the worst youve got. Suicidal, some may call me. since you are from england readie, i should tell you that if i were to choose a side thats based on showmanship, honor, integrity, and respect for thine's enemies, id side with the english/commonwealth.
since you are from england readie, i should tell you that if i were to choose a side thats based on showmanship, honor, integrity, and respect for thine's enemies, id side with the english/commonwealth.
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parsifal
Colonel
I have not yet committed myself to which side i would fly for. My all time favourite piston engined aircraft never flew operationally, and i would have dearly liked it to have done so. I am an absolute fan of the CA-15 Kangaroo, and would have loved to have seen it produced and used in a combat role. So I guess I am gunning for a prototype that never flew operationally.
My second favourite would be a Mosquito NFII, flying over Germany 1944-5. A true hunter, and a joy to fly, from accounts that I have heard told. love the aircraft, love the legend
My second favourite would be a Mosquito NFII, flying over Germany 1944-5. A true hunter, and a joy to fly, from accounts that I have heard told. love the aircraft, love the legend
'The British, Old Boy..." he said, running bryllcream into his hair with his fingers and twisting the end of his very trim, waxed moustache... 8)
Hard to say; I guess if it depended on aircraft types, I would rather be more specific and state that I would have loved to have had the flying career of Eric 'Winkle' Brown, who holds the world record for most types flown in his log book. He test flew just about every LW type evaluated by the Allies and every Allied type as well, not to forget the odd Japanese machine along the way.
Hard to say; I guess if it depended on aircraft types, I would rather be more specific and state that I would have loved to have had the flying career of Eric 'Winkle' Brown, who holds the world record for most types flown in his log book. He test flew just about every LW type evaluated by the Allies and every Allied type as well, not to forget the odd Japanese machine along the way.
tbfighterpilot
Airman
- 36
- Jun 11, 2011
I would fly for the allies in the pacific or Europe. Pacific:
F4U, F4F, F6F, F8F, SB2C Helldiver, TBD, TBM
Europe:
P-51, P-40, B-17, B-24, Spitfire, Hurricane, Tempest, P-47, P-38
F4U, F4F, F6F, F8F, SB2C Helldiver, TBD, TBM
Europe:
P-51, P-40, B-17, B-24, Spitfire, Hurricane, Tempest, P-47, P-38
drgondog
Major
The greatest quote I can repeat on a family oriented forum came from Billy Hovde - an ace of the 355th during WWII and got Migs with the 4th in Korea.
At the 67 Fighter Aces Reunion in New Orleans, I was in a group with Galland, Rall, Olds, Zemke, my father, Hovde and Ralph Parr. A local TV cameraman and talking head stuck their microphone under the noses of some pretty good fighter pilots and asked them - "waht makes a great fighter pilot".. all of the interviewees including my father talked about situational awareness, tactical position, relative strengths of the aircraft, etc.
The guy stuck his camera under Billy's nose which was well into the bag of scotch simply said "you can't want to live forever".
Billy got his DSC taking an understrength squadron of 51's over Berlin Dec 5 1944, into an attacking force of 70+ Fw 190's plus top cover of ~ 15 Me 109s. he personally shot down 5 plus shared one with his wing man, in all the 358 FS got 12 and completely broke up the attack before they could hit the 3rd BD B-17s he was covering.
American fighter pilots were 'brash' but one doctrine that exists today is 'Attack' - no matter what the odds. You can debate forever the training, the quality and quantity of the aircraft - but they had incredible courage which is not always accorded to the escorts..
At the 67 Fighter Aces Reunion in New Orleans, I was in a group with Galland, Rall, Olds, Zemke, my father, Hovde and Ralph Parr. A local TV cameraman and talking head stuck their microphone under the noses of some pretty good fighter pilots and asked them - "waht makes a great fighter pilot".. all of the interviewees including my father talked about situational awareness, tactical position, relative strengths of the aircraft, etc.
The guy stuck his camera under Billy's nose which was well into the bag of scotch simply said "you can't want to live forever".
Billy got his DSC taking an understrength squadron of 51's over Berlin Dec 5 1944, into an attacking force of 70+ Fw 190's plus top cover of ~ 15 Me 109s. he personally shot down 5 plus shared one with his wing man, in all the 358 FS got 12 and completely broke up the attack before they could hit the 3rd BD B-17s he was covering.
American fighter pilots were 'brash' but one doctrine that exists today is 'Attack' - no matter what the odds. You can debate forever the training, the quality and quantity of the aircraft - but they had incredible courage which is not always accorded to the escorts..
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