‘While Jews serve in my army I will not allow their deportation’

[pattle]

Interesting discourse on the subtleties of semantics.

Let's look at it from a different angle: many of you served in uniform and follow some branch of the Christian faith. Does that you are Christian soldiers. Or are you soldiers who are also/happen to be Christian?

Was the Jewish Brigade a brigade of the Jewish faith, or was a brigade for followers of the Jewish faith?

Are these men defined first as soldier, or first by their faith?

Can a Jewish Brigade include Christians? Can Christians be in a brigade of Jews?

Re-reading Timppa's first post, it sounds like the ones in the Finnish Army were Jews first and Finns second, so in this case we have Jewish Soldiers.

The same can be asked of soldiers. Why is it always "Nazi soldiers"? Were they all Nazis? Were von Treskow and Von Stauffenberg Nazis? On the other hand, were all Americans "Democrat Soldiers"? All UK soldiers "Conservative Soldiers"?

Do politics and/or religion really have a place in how a combatant is defined. Why Does it have to be Nazi/Democrat/Conservative German/American/Brit? What's wrong with just German or American or British? Why this need for a second word? Is it because of the special circumstances of the war against the Third Reich? Is it simply a means to denigrate an enemy soldier in a more polite way than calling them Kraut or Gook or Frog?

Man, I have been force-fed way too much philosophy in school this semester....

Some of the officers in the Jewish Brigade were British and I think the Brigadier was Canadian, most of the other ranks were Palestine Jews. I think the Jewish Brigade was organised like a colonial force.
British troops voted heavily in favour of the Labour Party at the end of World War Two and while I am happy to be mistaken for being Jewish I wouldn't be happy to be mistaken for a Tory.

 

[meatloaf109]

Interesting.
I served as an Atheist.
So does that make me a "Heathen godless American sailor"?

 

[silence]

In the ranks of the regular German military, you had Germans of all walks of life. Sure there were Nazis, but not all. Same goes for American troops, you had Jews, Christians, Athiests...people from all walks of life.

Same can be said for the Finns, Poles, English, Russians and so on. Everyday people who had thier own religious and political ideas, worried about thier family and buddies and wanted an end to the war so they could go home.

So basically, the Jews that served in the Finnish army were Finns that happened to follow Judiasm. Just like the Jews that served under the Kaiser in WWI were Imperial German Soldiers that happened to follow Judiasm.

Exactly my point.

 

[silence]

Interesting.
I served as an Atheist.
So does that make me a "Heathen godless American sailor"?

Yep. And a commie. You forgot the obligatory political association, comrade.

However, "Heathen godless" could possibly be considered redundant, in some circles.

 

[buffnut453]

Oh...I thought he said Heathen GODDESS...well, you never know with the Navy!

 

[GrauGeist]

I believe the correct phrase would be "Godless Heathen"

 

[meatloaf109]

Perhaps,..
(Not a "Commie", though)

 

[meatloaf109]

I believe the correct phrase would be "Godless Heathen"

No, us Atheists go with godless.

 

[meatloaf109]

Oh...I thought he said Heathen GODDESS...well, you never know with the Navy!

You have never seen me in a dress.
I make anything look good!

 

[Marcel]

You have never seen me in a dress.
I make anything look good!

Wait for it meat, I have to get my sunglasses first 8)

 

[buffnut453]

You have never seen me in a dress.
I make anything look good!

MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!! AAARGGGHHHHH!!!!

Oh, and thanks for the mental image now burnished into my brain.

Then again, I did kindda start it!

 

[silence]

Wait for it meat, I have to get my sunglasses first 8)

You may just want to go for welders glasses

 

[VBF-13]

This thread is getting confusing. I think when we Finnish we ought to take a Pole.

 

[silence]

Oh, man, you just out-Meatloafed Meatloaf

 

[Njaco]

If I remember correctly, I do believe that to be a member of the Luftwaffe, you were not allowed to be a party member - or at least it wasn't a requirement.

 

[GrauGeist]

There were Nazi party members in the Luftwaffe.

The notable ones that come to mind at the moment are Nowotny, Rudel and Milch.

Milch and Nowotny were NSDAP members, but Rudel wasn't. Rudel was a member of the Allgemeine SS.

 

[pattle]

I think Herman Goering joined the Nazi party at some point.

 

[evangilder]

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Greeting Guys, and Gals;

I have a problem with your word Jew...... To be politically correct, should not that word be
Hebrew.............. 8)


Mike
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Lighten up, Francis. I'm a Jew, and have never referred to myself as a "Hebrew". Following that logic, since I speak English, does that make me English?

 

[Marcel]

Lighten up, Francis. I'm a Jew, and have never referred to myself as a "Hebrew". Following that logic, since I speak English, does that make me English?

do I have to call you "old chap" now?

But judging your name, you should be Dutch.

 

[silence]

If I remember correctly, I do believe that to be a member of the Luftwaffe, you were not allowed to be a party member - or at least it wasn't a requirement.

Members of the Wehrmacht were not allowed to be affiliated with a political party in any way in the early years. Naturally, as the war progressed things changed.