It is a Gustav. The bulges over the cowlings give it a way. It is Hartmann's.
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It is a Gustav. The bulges over the cowlings give it a way. It is Hartmann's.
BTW Adler is a name for Spotting Post or something like that is it not ?
Hartmann was far from unrepentant totally unlike Rudel.
Hartmann was far from unrepentant totally unlike Rudel.
Agreed. Hartmann was nothing like Rudel. Rudel was a believer and a Nazi through and through, Hartmann was not. To claim that Hartmann was is false and defamation in my
opinion.
Adler = Eagle
DerAdlerIstGelandet = The Eagle Has Landed
Hartmann was far from unrepentant totally unlike Rudel.
I feel I must defend myself.
I did not say that Hartmann was an ardent national socialist - you are making an assumption there if I might say so.
BUT when the Soviets imprisoned him he never capitulated to their demands - and put his life on the line several times
In other words, he did not accept their accusations of being a war criminal in the context of his exploits as a fighter pilot.
Actually your accusation is based on a false premise and is potentially a defamation of me - so please ease off, especially as I have been nothing but friendly to you at all points so far (take a look).
I was not commenting on their relationship to the Nazi party in either case. Also, I am not a supporter of national socialism or any political philosophy as I find them all lacking - I rely on the democratic process to take the edge off extremists at least for the present time.
I was pointing out that both of them did not bend to the idea that by fulfilling their duties as combat pilots they were de facto war criminals in that *specific* context.
Note. The Americans were quite willing to seek the counsel of Rudel through his books and in person (please check) I believe.
Look at the development of the A10 - Reading Rudel's book was de rigeur for those involved in the project.
I understand what you're saying Cromwell and you are correct in those simularities. But philosophically, both were opposites. Hartmann embraced the new Liftwaffe and political atmosphere while Rudel would not let go of National Socialism. Hartmann was a pure apolitical pilot while Rudel let his political opinions guide him after the war.
I understand what you're saying Cromwell and you are correct in those simularities. But philosophically, both were opposites. Hartmann embraced the new Liftwaffe and political atmosphere while Rudel would not let go of National Socialism. Hartmann was a pure apolitical pilot while Rudel let his political opinions guide him after the war.
Thank you ! Phew I am glad someone understands me at last !
BTW you are both Moderators - is my Signature OK ?
too big / small ? its hard to get a small Cromwell Pic online
2. I do have a question however. How does doing your job as a fighter pilot make you a de facto war criminal? A soldier doing his duty does not make him a war criminal... .... < Schniptz ! >
OK, try again
This IS MY Point ! I am trying very hard to AGREE with you.
I am totally uncomfortable with the concept of 'war criminals' as it is nearly always applied by the Victors on the Vanquished
Winners write history, not losers
Politically Nuremberg had to happen - to appease the Russians if nothing else
BUT philosophically I have problems with Executing so-called War Criminals, it is also bad for Military Intelligence because you are sending a LOT of Know-How to the Grave
Its not very 'smart'
NOTE: Getting them to do Penance and help clear up the mess, well that is another matter
I think it is fine. If it were mine, I would make it a tad bit smaller, but not much.
I state again however that a fighter pilot who does his job of shooting down enemy aircraft or straifing enemy troops is doing his job. He is not a war criminal. That is what fighter pilots do.
I think it is fine. If it were mine, I would make it a tad bit smaller, but not much.
I state again however that a fighter pilot who does his job of shooting down enemy aircraft or straifing enemy troops is doing his job. He is not a war criminal. That is what fighter pilots do.
I think it is fine. If it were mine, I would make it a tad bit smaller, but not much.
How would you make it smaller please ?
I find that when I try to upload from my PC to your website it does not seem to go too well
Your system seems much happier if you link direct to an online picture
Ideas welcomed
there are online image resizers and image hosting sitesHow would you make it smaller please ?
I find that when I try to upload from my PC to your website it does not seem to go too well
Your system seems much happier if you link direct to an online picture
Ideas welcomed
there are online image resizers and image hosting sites