FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
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Wow! Amazing escape for the people on this flight!!!
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Not sure about 2015, but February 2018 was virtually the same situation. A vane fractured reaulting in an uncontained failure.
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
Yep, some stuff blew a big hole in the fuselage. Lucky the gear was not damaged
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There's your problem. There's a man sticking out the bottom of the engine!
Admiral Beez
Major
This plane is likely a write-off. That wing root and fuselage penetration will mean that tons of checks, repairs and rebuilding internally will be needed. With Covid devastating the airlines there's no money in putting this aircraft back together again. It's going to be stored for inspection and investigation and then chopped into soda cans.
cvairwerks
Staff Sergeant
Interesting, in the first photo it looks like a blade fracture on the #1 fan...Question is, was that the start of the problem, or a result from ingesting debris from the cowling failure.
yosimitesam
Airman 1st Class
They might find the broken-off tip of that main fan blade in the fuel tank or luggage compartment??? Might be the precipitator of the whole thing.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
There's no way you can make that determination from looking at those photos. Yes the jet took a beating and also had an overweight landing on top of this, but until a through inspection is completed there's no way you can even come close calling this a "write-off." I've seen a lot worse fixed...
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
They found many of the engine's parts in Denver's suburbs.
Too soon to tell the actual cause, but the engine's uncontained failure is a carbon copy of the Boeing 777/PW4000 failure back in February of 2018 and that was caused by a fractured vane in the compressor.
When the engine suffered catastrophic failure, fire ensued. There doesn't appear to be any breach of the aircraft's fuel tanks.
Think back to WWII and the Me262's Jumo004 engines when they failed due to component failure - engine disintegrating accompanied by fire.
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buffnut453
Captain
Here's another update - airlines are grounding their 777s that have the P&W engine.
United Airlines grounds planes after engine failure
Looks like P&W have some explaining to do...and remedial engineering.
United Airlines grounds planes after engine failure
Looks like P&W have some explaining to do...and remedial engineering.
fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
In a way that's a back handed compliment to Boeing. An engine goes bang yet the crew land her with a complete absence of fuss.
fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
I think the Admiral is talking more about the economics than the engineering. With thousands of perfectly good jets sitting unused and no immediate prospect of the industry getting busy why would you bother spending millions on a 25 year old plane. Plane leasing companies will probably give the airline a choice of nearly new jet.
Admiral Beez
Major
In this economic environment? Here in Canada the airlines are on the brink of Covid-induced bankruptcy. The accountants, not engineers will be making any decisions for this plane. If compensation can be wrestled from P&W this aircraft might have a future.
Admiral Beez
Major
Excluding terrorism on 9/11 and PA 103, there hasn't been a fatal crash of a USA-operated Boeing airliner since 1996's TWA 800, and zero fatal accidents so far this century. In fact there's only been four other instances since the 1970s: 1995's AA 965 (pilot error, CFIT) 1994's UA 427 (rudder failure), and 1982's PA 759 (weather/wind sheer) and FA 90 (pilot error). Only one of these fatal accidents was due to mechanical failure, and none had engine issues. The last one was boneheaded pilot error (forgot to turn on deicing) that that would have killed any aircraft. Here's the total list of airline accidents.
So, if you're on a US (or Canadian for that matter) operated Boeing aircraft in the 21st Century you're nearly statistically guaranteed to get through any incident. That's why I have no fear of the Boeing 737 Max. US or Canadian pilots would have had the training to identify and disable a runaway trim, and now this aircraft and its systems have to be the most reviewed and inspected aircraft of all time.
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I watched the video and I thought "one burning, one turning." Go Boeing.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
That has nothing to do with it. The airline doesn't own the airframe and in most cases the engines as well, they are leased through a bank. Insurance will more than take care of this especially if its a bank asset.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Just out of curiosity, anyone know what engines are on Koreanair's Boeing's?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
That will be determined once they know how much damage is discovered and will only be determined by a thorough inspection, not by glancing at a few photos.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Which model? they operate several different models of the 777
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
B-747-400, B747-8(?), B777-???
I thought a carrier would pretty much contract the same manufacturer for engines to simplify logistics.
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