Your favorite French fighter?
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Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Its largely because we have ignored the basic fact that economies need to make things that we are in the mess we are in 2011.
I take your point but, I would say that there are other issues at stake here. So much so that the RR engines available could have had a modern fighter designed around them rather than the other way round.
I know that fighters have to be developed but, who are the enemy we are likely to have to fight? What fighters do they have to deploy against us?
I think its a question of balance.
Keeping jobs at home and having a fighter cability that is affordable and adequate for our real world needs.
John
davebender
1st Lieutenant
I used to think the British were foolish for not switching to the Euro. Now it looks like the Euro is self destructing and the British knew what they were doing all along by sticking with the pound.
Either that or you English muddled through and got lucky.
Either that or you English muddled through and got lucky.
We can only hope so. I want the Deutsch Mark back.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
I used to think the British were foolish for not switching to the Euro. Now it looks like the Euro is self destructing and the British knew what they were doing all along by sticking with the pound.
Either that or you English muddled through and got lucky.
One of the things we can thank Gordon Brown for keeping us out of the Euro Zone.
Our Sterling is part of our identity.
You are right about 'muddling'. Its the English way you know.
I suspect that other EU countries would quite like their own currency back too...
John
davebender
1st Lieutenant
If the Euro breaks up I think continental europe would be in a serious economic mess for several years. The cure might be worse then the disease.
Meanwhile Britain and the USA would continue to economically muddle through. A technique we learned from our English cousins. 8)
Meanwhile Britain and the USA would continue to economically muddle through. A technique we learned from our English cousins. 8)
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
The main land Europeans are great survivors, They'll be ok, Euro or no Euro.
The gentle art of muddling takes 100's of years to perfect. You colonials are just starting to learn...
The real trick is not to appear to be muddling through...that masterclass awaits you
John
davebender
1st Lieutenant
Europe survived 1648, 1763, 1815, 1918 and 1945 but in each case things were pretty grim for the next several decades. I'm hoping today's MTV generation of Europeans make wiser choices then their ancestors. 
That is the main reason I want the Deutschmark back. I am paid in Dollars, but have to pay my rent and utility bills in Euro. I might not be German, but I am against the Euro. Hell my wife is German has been against the Euro from the beginning. I think the average European in the Euro zone is. Unfortunately most of the Govt.'s don't ask the people what they want.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Europe survived 1648, 1763, 1815, 1918 and 1945 but in each case things were pretty grim for the next several decades. I'm hoping today's MTV generation of Europeans make wiser choices then their ancestors.
One would hope so dave.
However, with all the divides that there are in main land Europe I am not optimistic.
Any 'melt down' with have's and have not's will cause trouble in some shape or form.
I shall watch with interest Mr Cameron's work to extract ourselves from the EZ mess and (hopefully) leave the EU altogether...
John
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davebender
1st Lieutenant
And then what?
We could revive the plan for "Greater Britain" which Sir Edward Grey and Colonel House tried so hard to make happen during WWI.
We could revive the plan for "Greater Britain" which Sir Edward Grey and Colonel House tried so hard to make happen during WWI.
Interesting a thread about French ww2 fighter planes ends with a discussion about euro...
The fact that the Euro sucks and was a big mistake, is the one thing we can all agree on.
Speak for yourselves
The Euro was and still is a great idea, taking countries that massively fake their statistics and can't keep a budget into the zone was the mistake. The Euro will recover, but of course there will be a lot of damage to countries that were not part of the problem. That's the principle of solidarity. What would happen in Greece today if they were not part of a greater system that will do its best to keep the country alive? Revolution? Civil war?
And about RR: They are a big company. The biggest aero engine manufacturer in Europe perhaps? But even they have to spread risks. Hence you don't see too many RR-only engines these days, but they are usually a major player in any European military engine program (EJ200, MTR390, RTM322, TP400...).
The Euro was and still is a great idea, taking countries that massively fake their statistics and can't keep a budget into the zone was the mistake. The Euro will recover, but of course there will be a lot of damage to countries that were not part of the problem. That's the principle of solidarity. What would happen in Greece today if they were not part of a greater system that will do its best to keep the country alive? Revolution? Civil war?
And about RR: They are a big company. The biggest aero engine manufacturer in Europe perhaps? But even they have to spread risks. Hence you don't see too many RR-only engines these days, but they are usually a major player in any European military engine program (EJ200, MTR390, RTM322, TP400...).
PatCartier
Airman
Euro or not is not the pb. The pb is that in Europe, like in US or others, people have no more power of decision: Wall Street, the City Co are our chief.
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PatCartier
Airman
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The fact that the Euro sucks and was a big mistake, is the one thing we can all agree on.
I think that Euro was a good idea, though it was introduced too early and I don't mean only time but especially the level of the union (or the level of unification of European countries, don't know which sentence suits here better
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Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Speak for yourselves
The Euro was and still is a great idea,
I think you are in a minority in Germany.
That is because individuals may be smart, but people are dumb
Do you think even a fraction of the people can remotely grasp the complexity of a global economy or international currency. And I include me, to be fair. People today think they have an educated opinion about everything because they saw 15 minutes of a debate with Maischberger (or whatever your country's counterpart is to that), looked up an article on wikipedia or read an article on spiegel-online. Thank god we don't have a direct democracy.
Do you think even a fraction of the people can remotely grasp the complexity of a global economy or international currency. And I include me, to be fair. People today think they have an educated opinion about everything because they saw 15 minutes of a debate with Maischberger (or whatever your country's counterpart is to that), looked up an article on wikipedia or read an article on spiegel-online. Thank god we don't have a direct democracy.
