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[Lucky13]

Hptm Günther "Pan" Müller, 4/SG-2, Fw 190F-8 Wk. Nr. 580956 "White 13" (lost, KIA),
KIA 23 June, 1944 in his F-8, on his 900th mission. He was shot down east of Ploesti by American fighter escorts for bombers attacking the oil refineries at Ploesti Romania.

Any idea what the camouflage might have looked like on this one? Is there any pics floating around on the SG2's '190F-8's?

 

[beaupower32]

Is there any pics floating around on the SG2's '190F-8's?

Fw-190F8-SG2 Black-5

Fw-190F8-SG2 black-9

Fw-190F8-SG2 <2+

Sorry, no 13's but SG2 pictures. Hope they help.

 

[Lucky13]

Cool pics mate! Thanks a bunch! Would this scheme be suitable for that F-8 shot down at Ploesti, June '44? Is it the standard camouflage or....under those RLM76 waves?

 

[Wurger]

I think it is the kind of the winter camo scheme.So these were of standard RLM74/75/76 with white waves. What is more the Fw190F in the pic from Kagero book is stated as Black 9 there but not Red nine.

 

[Lucky13]

Right, ok.....thanks Wojtek. Much obliged my friend!

 

[Wurger]

You'r welcome. In Osprey Aviation Elite Unit Slachrgruppen book it is stated both Fw190F belonged to II./SG2 in Hungary.

 

[beaupower32]

I think it is the kind of the winter camo scheme.So these were of standard RLM74/75/76 with white waves. What is more the Fw190F in the pic from Kagero book is stated as Black 9 there but not Red nine.

Ops, my bad Wurger, I changed it to where it reads Black 9 now. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Wurger]

No problem Bud...

 

[Lucky13]

Any idead where 4./SG2 where based then? Hungary as well maybe??

 

[B-17engineer]

SG2 Tunisia 1943

 

[Maximowitz]

They also played a not very succesful part in Unternehmen Bodenplatte too. I'll dig up the details later..

 

[rochie]

how about this one Jan !
source : Luftwaffe Colours Jagdwaffe Battle of Britain Phase One July-August 1940

 

[Lucky13]

Nice one Karl, cheers!

 

[Airframes]

I've found a rather nice one for you old boy and in colour too! Seen it loads of times, but only just realised it had a bl**dy big '13' on the nose! I'm not going to post it though, as you'll only blame me when you find out, after building the model, that you haven't really got room for a 1/48th scale 8th USAAF B24J Liberator.........

 

[rochie]

Ha, Ha just seen that one Terry, i think you should post it !!!!!!!

 

[Lucky13]

Aye! I dare you...!

 

[beaupower32]

This Bf 109E-3, 'White 13' of I./JG2 is seen as it would have appeared in May 1940 wearing a very high demarcation 02/71 upper surface scheme. The small proportions of the fuselage cross and the position of the Hakenkreuz across the fin/rudder hinge line indicate that this is probably one of the earliest applications of the revised camouflage scheme. On the nose is the 'Bonzo dog' Staffel emblem designed by Otto Bertram while the white '13' has a thin black border.

'White 13', a Bf-109E-4 of 7./JG26 flown by Lt. Walter Blume undergoes an engine maintenance

Messerschmitt Bf-109E-1 of 5./JG27 flown by Oblt. Erwin Daig. On 9 September, Daig - not carrying the bomb rack on this occasion - took off on a fighter escort mission to accompany bombers to London. At 20,000 feet, his aircraft was attacked by fighters which damaged his fuel and engine cooling systems and Daig made a forced landing at Charity Farm near Parham, Sussex, where he was subsequently taken prisoner. His aircraft was later displayed in Birmingham, and is seen here in Dudley where the Henry Hall band is entertaining war-workers. For a while during the 1930s Henry Hall directed the BBC dance orchestra and was the most popular radio star in Britain.

Unlucky Thirteen. On the afternoon of 30 September, Fw. Walter Scholz of 3./JG53 took off on a bomber escort mission. The bombers were joined between 18,000 and 19,000ft near the English coast but, according to Scholz, this aircraft ran out of fuel and forced landed at Langley, near Eastbourne in Sussex. The aircraft, a Bf-109E-4, 'Yellow 13', W.Nr.1325, had a yellow-orange nose and tail and, although not visible in the photographs, was reported to have had a yellow horizontal bar behind the cross. Another anomaly is that although the pilot stated on interrogation that there had been no combat, the RAF crash report mentions a few .303 strikes in the engine and cooling system. Note the four Abschussbalken on the fin and, for an E-4, the unusual position of the Hakenkreuz. Needless to say, the contemporary press made the most of the fuselage number thirteen.

Uffz. Arno Zimmermann of 7./JG54 took off from Guines with the whole of III.Gruppe at 08.35 hrs on 27 October on a fighter sweep over London. On the return flight, the Hurricanes of 605Sqn. were seen below and some of the Bf-109s dived down to attack. As Uffz. Zimmermann was climbing again, a Hurricane, believed to have been flown by Sgt. Eric Wright (who had shot down Viktor Molders on 7 October), fastened onto Zimmermann's tail and fired a burst which hit his engine and wounded the pilot. Despite a cockpit filled with smoke and a badly faltering engine, Zimmermann made for the coast but was obliged to make a forced landing on the beach near Lydd. The winged clog emblem of 7./JG54 was inspired by the time the III.Gruppe spent in Holland refitting after the French campaign.

 

[109ROAMING]

I've found a rather nice one for you old boy and in colour too! Seen it loads of times, but only just realised it had a bl**dy big '13' on the nose! I'm not going to post it though, as you'll only blame me when you find out, after building the model, that you haven't really got room for a 1/48th scale 8th USAAF B24J Liberator.........

Great '13's guys

 

[Lucky13]

Agreed!

 

[Wayne Little]

Got another 13 for ya Jan.....this one I have decals for you!