Thanks Igor and Paul. I think I've probably looked at those ones. The last two in your first group Igor, without checking to make sure, I think are Eastern front kites, with the early form of 'snake skin' camouflage. Paul, i actually did the belly landed one, exactly as in the photo, for the 40th anniversary of the BoB, using the Matchbox 1/32nd scale kit. I have got my eye on another JG 3 kite, just happens to be a 'Black 13'.........