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Yes they did.I wanna check only one, was RAF able to maintain air superiority in the battle of Imphal?
I know that it was in the middle of the allied counterattack, but at the same time it was also the last offensive oparation of the CBI theater by the Japanese army.So, I think that it is very important which one has air superiority at that time.
I think you'll find they had 3 squadrons of Spitfire VIII's available at the time, a plane totally superior to its JAAF opponents. I don't think they would have had any problems at all undertaking the escorts.Thanks guys. I didn't think RAF had such a great air superiority while doing large scale transportation. they were dispatching Spitfires, which had been deployed only a little, to escort Dakotas...
I think you'll find they had 3 squadrons of Spitfire VIII's available at the time
a plane totally superior to its JAAF opponents.
The Spitfire performance numbers you post from the Wawn and Jackson trials match up well with a tropical Spitfire Vc running +9 boost/3000 rpm. It appears they weren't 'pulling the tit' and using +16 boost.
Maybe that ability wasn't available in Austrailia, I have no idea. Perhaps there is a note why in the original document.
So that's why the Tomahawk IIb and Kittyhawk I got sent to the Western Desert in 1941/42 before the Spitfire Vb / Vc Trop. You definitely needed that big Volkes dust filter, and extra oil tank for use with the long range slipper tanks, out there for the Spitfire.Wow this is quite interesting. I'm surprised the Kittyhawk was accelerating faster than the Spit V and had a higher top speed below 16,000 ft. Sounds like the Vokes filter was a real disaster. I wonder if the Kitty pilots were overboosting.
"5. Results:
a) Spitfire had the greater rate of climb at all heights - the difference becoming greater as height increased above 13,000ft.
b) Spitfire is far more manoeuvrable at all heights.
c) Kittyhawk is faster in level speed from 0 to 16,000ft. Above 16,000ft Spitfire is faster and again the difference becomes greater as height increases. Estimated speed advantage of Kittyhawk up to 16,000ft: 0ft - 15mph; 12,000ft - 20 to 25mph; 16,000ft - 5 to 10mph.
d) Kittyhawk accelerates, both in dive and on increase of throttle on the level, far more quickly than the Spitfire.
6) Combat 1 - commenced at 13,000ft (equal height) and lasted for 5 to 7 minutes, in which time the fight was practically a stalemate. At the end of this period height was reduced to 4,000ft when the Kittyhawk pilots decided he had nothing to gain by staying and so broke off by diving away. Thus, in combat up to 16,000ft, the Kittyhawk has the distinct advantage in that the pilot can commence the fight and discontinue it at will. In such a combat the Kittyhawks tactics are to hit and run, and then come again.
7) Combat 2 - commenced at 20,000ft (equal height) and lasted less than 2 minutes. Spitfire quickly gained dominant position on the tail of the Kittyhawk and couldn't be shaken. Kittyhawk pilot broke off by diving away.
8) Combat 3 - Commenced at 16,000ft (height advantage to Kittyhawk) an lasted 14 minutes. Kittyhawk made repeated dive and zoom attacks with the Spitfire alternatively breaking hard to avoid and climbing for advantage where possible. Fight reduced to 9,000ft with neither pilot gaining a decisive advantage.
9) Combat 4 - Commence at 16,000ft (height advantage to Spitfire) and lasted 11 minutes. Spitfire pounced on Kittyhawk and attempted to gain a position on tail. Kittyhawk used speed advantage in first level flight and then shallow dive to gain separation and then climb for advantage. Spitfire countered by climbing hard. Gaining advantage Spitfire used climb and dive tactics to force the Kittyhawk to make repeated diving breaks to avoid. At 7,000ft Kittyhawk used superior roll rate to scissor behind the Spitfire, who countered with steep climb. Kittyhawk then used speed advantage to again gain separation and fight was broken off.
10) Visions - the vision in the Spitfire with the hood closed is better than the Kittyhawk, but it is a definite disadvantage that the hood cannot be opened at speeds above 160mph particularly when searching up-sun.
11) The flying characteristics of the Spitfire make it more suitable for Operations:
a) it is easier to fly.
b) Take-off run is much shorter and so could be operated from smaller landing grounds. Note – the Spitfire does not handle hard dirt strips as well as the Kittyhawk.
c) Mixture and boost are automatically controlled.
d) It is not necessary, as it is in the Kittyhawk, to alter rudder and elevator trims over great speed changes.
All these facts greatly reduce the pilot's problems and so increase his fighting efficiency. The report concluded by recommending that as the large Volkes air filter on the Spitfire cost 20-30mph in top speed, it should be removed in operational service - or at least an alternative found. Also mentioned was the effect of the Spitfires rough paint finish on performance but the general feeling of the report was that the Spitfire was perhaps the better fighter, especially at altitude."
Wow this is quite interesting. I'm surprised the Kittyhawk was accelerating faster than the Spit V and had a higher top speed below 16,000 ft. Sounds like the Vokes filter was a real disaster. I wonder if the Kitty pilots were overboosting.
There was also the occasional hangover that *may* have been a contributing factor to a pilot's abilities if they've been roused out of the rack during an early morning scramble, too.Don't forget the variables of pilots. They may be close in skill, or one may be more proficient in his steed than the other. Difficult airplanes can be mastered, a pilot can have a better day than the next guy, the list goes on. Multiple pilots over multiple days with multiple set ups would be optimal, but in the middle of a war one takes what one can get.
Cheers,
Biff
+12 was there from the start. Again we're kind of puzzled why +12/+16 doesn't appear to be used in Australia.
An easier plane to fly is always a plus, and being able to escape at will is a very nice option to have, but in these mock combats it doesn't appear that the Spitfire--unlike the Kittyhawk--ever needed to escape.
The 109F had a notable dive advantage on the Spitfire V.
Yeah I know about the two speeds, but I wasn't sure which two altitudes were critical.
They both were.
The lower one is wide open throttle in low supercharger gear and the upper one is wide open (Full Throttle Height/FTH) in high gear.
Full throttle height is just another term for critical altitude.