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Actually, do you think this could be my two Lancaster bombers that he shot down? Could you explain what the symbols all mean? When it refers to height, is that the height they were shot down??
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Notice something strange. Same minute 500 meter height difference.
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Koch, Gerhard Ofw101/JG-301 (3/44), 6/JG-300 (8/44), I/JG-301Fw 190A-8 Werk # 683323 "Yellow 5" (lost 2/25/45)EP
EK 1 & 2
Fighter Operational Clasp KIA 25 February, 1945 during aerial combat with P-51s near Salzwebel airfield (Boiten). Two known victories, the same day, both Lancasters SW of Stuttgart on 15 March, 1944. His 3rd, a Lancaster 25 km north of St Leu d Esserent France on 5 July, 1944. His 4th, a "4 mot" at Calais on 6 July, 1944. His 5th, a 2nd "4 mot", same day, at Dunkirk. A 6th, a "4 mot" at Senarpont on 8 July, 1944. A 7th, a B-17 at Brünn on 29 August, 1944. Numbers 8 and 9, a B-24 and a P-51 while opposing the Misburg Raid on 26 November, 1944. A 10th, a P-51 at Gross-Welle on 5 December, 1944.
It is a possibillity i think. Or perhaps shot the one and saw it hitting the other and claimed that one too. A minute for 2 kills at night is i think very very short. Even if the bomber stream is over the target. A gun cam was proof but not by far not always. Witness from i.g. a wingman could be enough. ( that is one of the reasons for over claiming) Now for nightfighters, they fought mostly over land in german hands so a claim could be verified by the debry on the ground. But even then it could be un clear hence my guncam remark.
Height target i believe.Mmm... an interesting thought. I wish there were some means of proving this. It would be logical to say you got "two birds with one shot" as we say here in Britain if he shot one and then it crashed into another one! These heights 5800 and 6300 does that refer to the height of the Lancasters or to the fighter plane, or the distance between the Koch's fighter plane and the Lancasters???
Height target i believe.
Heights are in meters. So 6,300m = 21,000 feet.
You're welcome, and I still work in feet and yards most of the time too !
The notation in the beginning of this thread is not the gun cam. It on what roll the evidence and rest of the paperwork can be found i think. The time is the time for abschuss so real time be it german war time ( differend then allied time) . The 15 of march was a cold night but with decending moon. I stand about what i said. Difficult to find your target at night not impossible but difficult. So another scenario is worth thinking over.Two films in the same minute 500m apart is not hard to explain. Neither need be "kills" as I think the camera would be activated by the gun button. So firing the gun at two targets in that time frame and altitude difference would not be unusual in my opinion.
It depends on when it entered the dive after being hit. It's certainly plausible.
When attacked the allied ofcourse tried to get out of the way corkscrewing or what ever was possible. The german knowing he hit the target but not sure if it went down would try to follow his prey to finnish the job. (He would not have know he killed it already.) And get his reward for the kill ofcourse. So my scenario is i think a possibilty.According to the pilot, who survived, it entered the dive almost immediately as it severed the joystick controls and went nose downwards, before hitting another Lancaster.
Hello Snautzer01, I'm so sorry but I couldn't see an attachment. Am I missing something here?