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Makes me wonder, as a "Monday morning quarterback"-- back in 1903, if Will and Orville had realized all this, if they might have said: "Screw this Kitty Hawk stuff, let's haul ass back to Dayton and build more bicycles instead."
Say, I didn't know that Orville and Wilber's Daddy was a Preacher Man. Learn something new every live-long day-- Boy howdy, that blogger has to be one sick puppy to promote that business- did he read the Charles Manson manifesto somewhere along the line?Hell, considering that there's an increasingly popular blogger out there who is recommending drivers kill cyclists by deliberately running into them, Orville & Wilbur would probably have followed their father into the religion business.
That is the way of the world. My home town was the destination of the first passenger steam railway, which is noted in places all over the town, what is not noted is that it killed someone on its first journey, and while "Locomotion No1" is preserved in a museum "Locomotion No2" no longer exists because it blew up. George Stevenson did make the first practical loco but it didn't have a pressure safety valve. Bureaucracy and administration is a PIA but you must say it works, I remember in the 60s and 70s all sorts of famous and non famous people killed in plane, train and car crashes.The problem is many people get crushed in the fall out. I knew a guy who was suspended from all work for 5 years as a result of others in another country fiddling chemical analysis results. When the pipeline cracked and the merde hit the fan even those who were doing their job correctly were penalised, basically just for being there.Makes me wonder, as a "Monday morning quarterback"-- back in 1903, if Will and Orville had realized all this, if they might have said: "Screw this Kitty Hawk stuff, let's haul ass back to Dayton and build more bicycles instead."
Hey, they were smart, inventive, and dedicated money grubbers to boot. They could have made a fortune in tort law pursuing economic justice for victims of anti bicycle genocide!Orville & Wilbur would probably have followed their father into the religion business.
Danke- Herr Adler!!Makes me wonder, as a "Monday morning quarterback"-- back in 1903, if Will and Orville had realized all this, if they might have said: "Screw this Kitty Hawk stuff, let's haul ass back to Dayton and build more bicycles instead."
Wonder what Charlie Da Tuna would have said about that SNAFU.."They also really hated cleaning up after each shot."
A friend of mine in Oklahoma had cousin who was an airline pilot. One day his cousin walked into the pilot's lounge and saw another airline pilot he knew sitting there, dejectedly. He asked what was wrong.
The other pilot replied, "They cancelled my flight! I fired up engine number one and all was Okay. I fired up number two and all was Okay. I fired up number three and all was Okay. And then I fired up number four, but.they had parked the food service truck too close and I sucked up one hundred and sixty seven chicken salad sandwiches."
Imagine cleaning up that mess!
I get that, believe me I have been in the industry for almost 2 decades, and I work in the safety department.
Nothing in that instance had anything to do with the pilot. Maybe ground operations. Probably, most likely company procedures and policies, but the pilots should not have been thrown under the bus and have a mark on their record.
In my six years of Be1900 flying I never saw a pogo stick in use in passenger flight operations, only in the maintenance shop and in freight ops. I don't think anyone wanted to concede the plane had a tail heaviness problem, at least not in the public eye. A 1900 with three mechs working in the baggage compartment and no one in the cockpit was definitely a candidate for a sit-down strike. Our airline in a previous incarnation had operated G-1C Gulfstream airliners that if empty would sit down if you looked at them cross-eyed, and encountered a lot of customer resistance to getting on a plane that "had to be propped up". There were a lot of 1900 airliners working in the northeast in the '80s with not a tail stand in sight.Been there 50+ years and also in Safety Management (a Fit and Proper Person for the purposes of being an airline Safety Manager in accordance with ICAO annex 13 and ICAO training). DerAdlerIstGelandet is 1,000% correct. On aircraft with a known aft CG issue company procedure should start with the installation of a pogo stick as soon as the engines stop (and removal immediately prior to start) to prevent the tail dropping.
A friend of mine in Oklahoma had cousin who was an airline pilot. One day his cousin walked into the pilot's lounge and saw another airline pilot he knew sitting there, dejectedly. He asked what was wrong.
The other pilot replied, "They cancelled my flight! I fired up engine number one and all was Okay. I fired up number two and all was Okay. I fired up number three and all was Okay. And then I fired up number four, but.they had parked the food service truck too close and I sucked up one hundred and sixty seven chicken salad sandwiches."
Imagine cleaning up that mess!
Thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and families of the victims.An Antonov An-148 from Saratov Airlines with 6 crew and 65 passengers on board crashed today. All souls on board were killed.
ASN Aircraft accident Antonov An-148-100 RA-61704 Stepanovskoye, Ramenskoye District
Thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and families of the victims.
Tailplane icing/stall? Last part of that altitude profile looks a lot like the Eagle ATR72 at Roselawn, IN in 1994. That also was a T tail plane that departed in freezing precip with a de-icing delay.
Never had any encounters with the "Starling Smasher", but I can tell you when a P3 goes from loiter cruise to high speed dash it sets you right back in your seat and spills your coffee!You can see why I refused to park the towmotor close to the props - 3750 hp feeding four 1/2 inch thick steel blades with very thin leading and trailing edges driven by a constant speed engine (idles at 13,820rpm, Takeoff at 13,820rpm) Prop rpm is 1020. Power increases from minimum to TO as fast as the blades change pitch (very fast but I cannot remember the time)
Been there 50+ years and also in Safety Management (a Fit and Proper Person for the purposes of being an airline Safety Manager in accordance with ICAO annex 13 and ICAO training). DerAdlerIstGelandet is 1,000% correct. On aircraft with a known aft CG issue company procedure should start with the installation of a pogo stick as soon as the engines stop (and removal immediately prior to start) to prevent the tail dropping. Did it? If not the root cause is almost certainly that Ground Operations management failed to take preventative action for a well known hazard. If they do normally fit the pogo stick, why did the bag snatchers fail to correctly fit it, etc. Why was the baggage cart parked too close to the aircraft? Were ANY risk assessments made and preventative measures in place to prevent this accident? Both pilots and maintenance are fault free on this one.
A good one for the induction procedures and renewals for all bag snatchers and their managers. (I use the example of Qantas unloading the Korean Airlines DC-10 in Sydney where they failed to move any of the rear ULDs forward on the main deck, unloaded the front belly locker first and had just positioned the FMC at the rear locker when they pulled a pallet containing a car out the (front) main deck cargo door. As the load mass moved to the scissor lift the tail dropped, lifting the end of the pallet still inside the aircraft. When the door sill was too high to continue supporting the pallet it dropped and ended up inside the mechanism of the scissors lift, with the car still firmly attached. The FMC and rear locker structure were sexually distressed)
AMEN!! AA191 anybody? How about AK261?I'll add another safety manager's voice to agree to this. Generally, when you do a root cause analysis, the cause is fairly far removed from what it may seem. Even in cases where people haven't followed published procedures, I've seen a root cause that came back to management because they hadn't allowed sufficient time to complete a task per the procedures.
With an airline interior installed, the CG isn't too too bad in the C (if you don't abuse it) and the D has more electronics forward so it's even better. The Caravan with an empty cockpit can be tipsy if the cargo loaders aren't careful, so a pogo stick is a must.We had an airline here who flew 1900's, and I've never seen tail supports used while loading/unloading. But, I have heard that their configuration left the aircraft with a fwd CofG., so maybe they didn't need them. We have another airline here who uses them religiously with their caravans.
I'll add another safety manager's voice to agree to this. Generally, when you do a root cause analysis, the cause is fairly far removed from what it may seem. Even in cases where people haven't followed published procedures, I've seen a root cause that came back to management because they hadn't allowed sufficient time to complete a task per the procedures.
One of the best investigations of an accident I have seen was regarding a 747 that had an engine drag on the runway during landing in Japan after a long flight from the USA way back (early 90's from memory).