Aircraft Disasters

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Air Disasters

I have been watching Air Disasters on the Smithsonian channel, mainly due to professional curiosity. I pondered what I would have done in those situations. I was often stunned by what I saw. In some instants nothing could be done. Equipment failure doomed the flight. But others, faulty procedure, poor training, and incompetence were sadly responsible. Here's some.

1. Some foreign airline professional airline pilots were inadequately trained on non-automatic flying techniques including landing which led to accidents when auto features were not available. In the early '70s, the C-141, which I flew, had completely automatic approach capability, including auto-land (which was not allowed due to lack of properly equipped runways). I always flew manual approaches and landing, very rarely using even altitude hold, wanting to maintain my proficiency. These airlines flew auto approaches on every landing and even trained that way.

2. Professional airline pilots lacking the ability to fly non-precision approaches. One airliner was lost because of the crew incompetently flew a non-precision approach (ILS was down, oh panic!) by drifting off course and descending BELOW the published minimum descent altitude (MDA) without having the runway in sight (could the runway not be seen because there was a hill in the way? Alas). There would have been no accident if the MDA was maintained. Back in the day, we were well trained in all approaches. We flew worldwide routes into places like Addis Ababa and Tehran where the approaches were ADF (four ADF in the case of Tehran).

3. The last example was the most baffling, the crash in 1999 of the Learjet 35 carrying the golfer Payne Stewart. The plane had a faulty pressurization system which failed at some point. The cabin altitude warning system worked, being heard going off in the background on the cockpit recorder (only last 30 minutes recording time so the crew was already dead). When the investigation group reviewed the published emergency procedures, donning the oxygen mask was not at the top of the list (I don't know if it was mentioned at all)! This should have been identified as a pre checklist action item. The group, when running a simulation, found out that the time to run the checklist exceeded reasonable time for maintaining cognizant behavior in an unpressurized cockpit at high altitude. Their opinion was that the crew tried to run the check list and died. What confuses me is how an experienced Air Force/commercial pilot with over 4000 hrs flying, including KC-135, and an instructor pilot, could not recognize the danger of hypoxia at high altitude and respond immediately to putting mask on. Mental acuity at high altitude only exists for seconds at high altitude. I think they estimated eight seconds. AF and I assume Navy pilots are trained to understand that fact and react accordingly. There is a reason that commercial flights instruct passenger adults to put their mask on first and then attend to children. Very sad.
 
Air Disasters

I have been watching Air Disasters on the Smithsonian channel, mainly due to professional curiosity. I pondered what I would have done in those situations. I was often stunned by what I saw. In some instants nothing could be done. Equipment failure doomed the flight. But others, faulty procedure, poor training, and incompetence were sadly responsible. Here's some.

1. Some foreign airline professional airline pilots were inadequately trained on non-automatic flying techniques including landing which led to accidents when auto features were not available. In the early '70s, the C-141, which I flew, had completely automatic approach capability, including auto-land (which was not allowed due to lack of properly equipped runways). I always flew manual approaches and landing, very rarely using even altitude hold, wanting to maintain my proficiency. These airlines flew auto approaches on every landing and even trained that way.

2. Professional airline pilots lacking the ability to fly non-precision approaches. One airliner was lost because of the crew incompetently flew a non-precision approach (ILS was down, oh panic!) by drifting off course and descending BELOW the published minimum descent altitude (MDA) without having the runway in sight (could the runway not be seen because there was a hill in the way? Alas). There would have been no accident if the MDA was maintained. Back in the day, we were well trained in all approaches. We flew worldwide routes into places like Addis Ababa and Tehran where the approaches were ADF (four ADF in the case of Tehran).

3. The last example was the most baffling, the crash in 1999 of the Learjet 35 carrying the golfer Payne Stewart. The plane had a faulty pressurization system which failed at some point. The cabin altitude warning system worked, being heard going off in the background on the cockpit recorder (only last 30 minutes recording time so the crew was already dead). When the investigation group reviewed the published emergency procedures, donning the oxygen mask was not at the top of the list (I don't know if it was mentioned at all)! This should have been identified as a pre checklist action item. The group, when running a simulation, found out that the time to run the checklist exceeded reasonable time for maintaining cognizant behavior in an unpressurized cockpit at high altitude. Their opinion was that the crew tried to run the check list and died. What confuses me is how an experienced Air Force/commercial pilot with over 4000 hrs flying, including KC-135, and an instructor pilot, could not recognize the danger of hypoxia at high altitude and respond immediately to putting mask on. Mental acuity at high altitude only exists for seconds at high altitude. I think they estimated eight seconds. AF and I assume Navy pilots are trained to understand that fact and react accordingly. There is a reason that commercial flights instruct passenger adults to put their mask on first and then attend to children. Very sad.
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Air Disasters

I have been watching Air Disasters on the Smithsonian channel, mainly due to professional curiosity. I pondered what I would have done in those situations. I was often stunned by what I saw. In some instants nothing could be done. Equipment failure doomed the flight. But others, faulty procedure, poor training, and incompetence were sadly responsible. Here's some.

1. Some foreign airline professional airline pilots were inadequately trained on non-automatic flying techniques including landing which led to accidents when auto features were not available. In the early '70s, the C-141, which I flew, had completely automatic approach capability, including auto-land (which was not allowed due to lack of properly equipped runways). I always flew manual approaches and landing, very rarely using even altitude hold, wanting to maintain my proficiency. These airlines flew auto approaches on every landing and even trained that way.

2. Professional airline pilots lacking the ability to fly non-precision approaches. One airliner was lost because of the crew incompetently flew a non-precision approach (ILS was down, oh panic!) by drifting off course and descending BELOW the published minimum descent altitude (MDA) without having the runway in sight (could the runway not be seen because there was a hill in the way? Alas). There would have been no accident if the MDA was maintained. Back in the day, we were well trained in all approaches. We flew worldwide routes into places like Addis Ababa and Tehran where the approaches were ADF (four ADF in the case of Tehran).

3. The last example was the most baffling, the crash in 1999 of the Learjet 35 carrying the golfer Payne Stewart. The plane had a faulty pressurization system which failed at some point. The cabin altitude warning system worked, being heard going off in the background on the cockpit recorder (only last 30 minutes recording time so the crew was already dead). When the investigation group reviewed the published emergency procedures, donning the oxygen mask was not at the top of the list (I don't know if it was mentioned at all)! This should have been identified as a pre checklist action item. The group, when running a simulation, found out that the time to run the checklist exceeded reasonable time for maintaining cognizant behavior in an unpressurized cockpit at high altitude. Their opinion was that the crew tried to run the check list and died. What confuses me is how an experienced Air Force/commercial pilot with over 4000 hrs flying, including KC-135, and an instructor pilot, could not recognize the danger of hypoxia at high altitude and respond immediately to putting mask on. Mental acuity at high altitude only exists for seconds at high altitude. I think they estimated eight seconds. AF and I assume Navy pilots are trained to understand that fact and react accordingly. There is a reason that commercial flights instruct passenger adults to put their mask on first and then attend to children. Very sad.
The loss of oxygen is a silent killer. There are no physical warnings, you just go to sleep. Death can follow in 7 to 10 minutes. The pilot of the Lear Jet did activate the auto pilot. Their rotation was probably rather steep so it didn't take long to reach the danger altitude zone and they went to sleep. On high altitude missions during WWII, we had a four minute crew check in procedure. If a crew member did not respond to the check call another member of the crew checked on him. Two of our biggest challenges at altitude were loss of oxygen and the bitter cold temperature.
 
Pacific Southwest 1771

I was a test engineer on ALF502's, so the crash had an emotional impact on me and, I later found, a number of my former colleagues at Lycoming. They changed screening rules after that.

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What happened is that a passenger -- I he was a former employee of USAir, which owned Pacific Southwest -- carried a firearm (I believe a 0.44 Magnum) onto flight 1771. My memory is that passengers on intrastate flights didn't have to go through pre-flight screening, and that this rule changed shortly after, but it may be that the passenger still had an airline ID and could bypass security.
 
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Lots of theories with the DC-6 crash killing Hammarskjöld. His bodyguards were found with bullet wounds at the crash site. Wiki's explanation seems logical as to how the wounds were caused.

1961 Ndola United Nations DC-6 crash - Wikipedia

The official report stated that two of the dead Swedish bodyguards had suffered multiple bullet wounds. Medical examination, performed by the initial Rhodesian Board of Investigation and reported in the UN official report, indicated that the wounds were superficial, and that the bullets showed no signs of rifling. They concluded that the bullets' cartridges had exploded in the fire in proximity to the bodyguards.[5

However, reading this from Christine Negroni's book "The Crash Detectives" - are they saying cooked ammunition wouldn't penetrate a body?

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The Air Disasters series I have seen make me wonder about ever getting on an airliner again. There was a VARIG 737 where the pilot and copilot read a flight plan for a course of 27.0 deg as being 270 deg and flew off into the setting sun until they ran out of fuel over the jungle and crashed. Their destination was almost due north and they flew into the setting sun, dutifully following the nav system.

There was a Greek 737 where the crew was trying to figure out why the avionics were overheating as they climbed on autopilot to cruising altitude. The avionics were overheating because they had not turned on the pressurization system and there was not enough air. Everybody died.

For the Payne Stewart Learjet crash I right away said it made no sense. When the F-16's intercepted it was obvious that the pressurization system was not on - the windows were frosted over. In the wreckage they found the bleed air valves were closed. Now, either they never turned it on (incredible in FL in May) and everyone sat like bumps on a log anyway or else the air conditioning failed and they turned off the bleed air and then did not dive for lower altitude. Incredible! My first job out of college was aircraft air cond, pressurization, and pneumatics. I went through altitude chamber training and took my mask off at chamber altitude of 25,000 ft. It took several minutes for me to even feel woozy; they should have been able to get down even if the emergency oxygen was depleted, as some have claimed.
 
The Air Disasters series I have seen make me wonder about ever getting on an airliner again. There was a VARIG 737 where the pilot and copilot read a flight plan for a course of 27.0 deg as being 270 deg and flew off into the setting sun until they ran out of fuel over the jungle and crashed. Their destination was almost due north and they flew into the setting sun, dutifully following the nav system.

There was a Greek 737 where the crew was trying to figure out why the avionics were overheating as they climbed on autopilot to cruising altitude. The avionics were overheating because they had not turned on the pressurization system and there was not enough air. Everybody died.

For the Payne Stewart Learjet crash I right away said it made no sense. When the F-16's intercepted it was obvious that the pressurization system was not on - the windows were frosted over. In the wreckage they found the bleed air valves were closed. Now, either they never turned it on (incredible in FL in May) and everyone sat like bumps on a log anyway or else the air conditioning failed and they turned off the bleed air and then did not dive for lower altitude. Incredible! My first job out of college was aircraft air cond, pressurization, and pneumatics. I went through altitude chamber training and took my mask off at chamber altitude of 25,000 ft. It took several minutes for me to even feel woozy; they should have been able to get down even if the emergency oxygen was depleted, as some have claimed.
 
I recall being on an airliner and they were showing that movie where a bushplane crashes in AK and the survivors are pursued by a bear. They cut out the scene that shows the airplane crash and it was not until the movie came on TV that I figured out how they got up in the wilds.
 
I have been through the altitude chamber at Edwards Air Force Base. A few minutes after removing my O2 mask, I got pretty stupid and couldn't do simple tasks, but realized this and put my mask back on. You would think that a military trained pilot would know to do this.
 
I have been through the altitude chamber at Edwards Air Force Base. A few minutes after removing my O2 mask, I got pretty stupid and couldn't do simple tasks, but realized this and put my mask back on. You would think that a military trained pilot would know to do this.
Rest assured they do if able to do so. There is a la la period before going to sleep where you can't function. Apparently you did not reach that phase. You make it sound as though military and commercial pilots are stupid and that is a false assumption. Safety is a high priority topic. Their on going training is above reproach.
 
I have been through the altitude chamber at Edwards Air Force Base. A few minutes after removing my O2 mask, I got pretty stupid and couldn't do simple tasks, but realized this and put my mask back on. You would think that a military trained pilot would know to do this.
The important thing is that you were in a test chamber, would you notice the loss of senses 3 hours into a routine flight?
 
I did not mean to belittle either military or airline pilots as I know many of both and have all the resect in the world for them. I just feel that with all their training they would have reacted differently. I guess it is easy to second guess someone in this situation when I was not there.
 
I did not mean to belittle either military or airline pilots as I know many of both and have all the resect in the world for them. I just feel that with all their training they would have reacted differently. I guess it is easy to second guess someone in this situation when I was not there.
FYI....I made two chamber test flights, the second to 40,000 ft, while in the Air Force during WWII and spent 32 years in Commercial Aviation Marketing and Sales so am very well aware of the never ending training and check rides commercial pilots have to pass during their career.
 
I've been through a Navy chamber ride which featured "mask off" stops at 26K, 32K, and a pressure breathing exercise at 46K.
The difference in usable consciousness between 26 and 32 was dramatic! About 2 min 15 at 26 before I started missing my coordination targets and reached for my mask. At 32, I kissed the floor 20 seconds after my mask came off. No warning tingles or wooziness, just "plop"! Pressure breathing at 46 was probably the most stressful, claustrophobic, and exhausting thing I've ever done. And John Glenn did it all the way across the country on his record breaking "Operation Bullet" flight.
Right after the chamber "touched down", they took us off the oxygen and sent us out to the "boom bucket" ejection seat trainer and the "Dilbert Dunker" cockpit submersion escape trainer. A pretty good day's workout.
Cheers,
Wes
 
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I did not mean to belittle either military or airline pilots as I know many of both and have all the resect in the world for them. I just feel that with all their training they would have reacted differently. I guess it is easy to second guess someone in this situation when I was not there.
Hypoxia is almost exactly the same as Carbon Monoxide poisoning, training is a big help but it still can catch people unawares.
 
it was obvious that the pressurization system was not on - the windows were frosted over. In the wreckage they found the bleed air valves were closed.
I don't know the Learjet's systems all that well, but in the commuter airliners I used to work on, and later fly, the bleed valves were only open as long as power was supplied to them. The power was fed through circuit breaker switches on the instrument panel. In the case of a crash, they would close right after the impact power surge unless they were distorted in the breakup, rendering their observed condition in the wreckage inconclusive.
I haven't read the NTSB on this one. Were the cabin outflow valves determined to have been functional? Did the crew have push button quick donning masks? I've flown with some general aviation "nosebags" that I would hate to have to don in a hurry in a rapid decompression scenario, especially at 30K+. Have you ever tried to don a push button O2 mask without the pneumatic pressure to inflate it? Tried it once in a turbo 210 just for giggles. Regular dog and pony show. Should have had a video camera. Thank God for a safety pilot! Wound up fishing for my glasses down between the rudder pedals. Wonder what the NTSB would have made of that after the fact?
Cheers,
Wes
 
Any YouTube link?
There are several channels on YouTube devoted to MS Flight Simulator re-enactments of air crashes. While not always 100% technically accurate, they can give you the general narrative of these accidents as well as the final investigation results and some speculations on circumstances. Most of them are done from the perspective of "armchair experts" who've clearly never actually flown other than as an airline passenger.
Cheers,
Wes
 

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