Aircraft murders

[stona]

I have lost count of the number of people who have told me (especially in France and Germany) that Diana Princess of Wales was killed by secret services, completely ignoring the fact that if she put her bloody seat belt on she would have had no more than a sore neck and bruising.

It is common practice for celebrities NOT to wear seat belts at the behest of their body guards, one of whom was in the car with Diana. The reasons for this override the increased risk of injury in a road traffic accident.

She was the victim of an impaired (drunk) driver, driving beyond his abilities into a fairly dangerous part of the peripherique. Those tunnel supports make very poor crash barriers.

Cheers

Steve

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Storm Lake Pilot Tribune: Local News: Could new investigation clear Buddy Holly pilot? (01/20/15)

 

[pbehn]

It is common practice for celebrities NOT to wear seat belts at the behest of their body guards, one of whom was in the car with Diana. The reasons for this override the increased risk of injury in a road traffic accident.

She was the victim of an impaired (drunk) driver, driving beyond his abilities into a fairly dangerous part of the peripherique. Those tunnel supports make very poor crash barriers.

Cheers

Steve

The bodyguard had his seatbelt on and survived, in UK the driver is responsible for minors, adults are responsible for themselves. The chauffeur was not in a position to tell Diana or Dodi to strap up, if they strapped up they would have sacked him.

 

[pbehn]

Agree about letting it rest...

There's a guy investigating the weight and balance of the aircraft which should have been mentioned in the original NTSB report. Additionally it's coming to light that the weather wasn't as bad as first reported. There is also a theory about either Valenz or Richardson trying to change seats in flight with Holly as the plane was climbing out. Only Peterson's body remained with the aircraft as the other bodies were thrown from the wreck. I think the NTSB report mentions that the front seatbelt mounting was torn from the aircraft.

There maybe something in that, celebrities, high powered people and their hangers on are notorious for disregarding safety or pushing it to the limits. In aircraft accidents, Leigh Mallory and the Munich air crash spring to mind. In General powerful or famous people seem to have a greater sense of "it wont happen to me" Celebrities are notorious for the prima dona mentality, did you see the Asian woman who made a passenger plane return to its stand because her nuts were not presented correctly, against all airline and airport rules but hubby ran the government or the airline and she got her way.

 

[stan reid]

Storm Lake Pilot Tribune: Local News: Could new investigation clear Buddy Holly pilot? (01/20/15)

I remember these events pretty vividly because these guys were scheduled to do a show here in Peoria on Valentine's Day, 11 days after the crash. If I correctly recall, a local rock and roll station (WIRL) was sponsoring the gig and was promoting it heavily on their broadcasts. I think Dion and the Belmonts were the only lead act to make it to the show which did go on. There was a mad scramble to find replacement acts. I think one was Jill Corey but I hadn't heard of the others and don't remember who they were.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Bobby Vee

 

[stan reid]

Bobby Vee

Ah yes, I see he was a sub almost immediately and was likely on the roster here on Valentine's Day. Since Vee didn't make a major move on the charts until 1960, I'm sure I hadn't heard of him before February of 1959.

 

[stona]

It's starting to look more and more likely that Andreas Lubitz murdered everybody on board German Wings flight 9525.

Steve

 

[stan reid]

It's starting to look more and more likely that Andreas Lubitz murdered everybody on board German Wings flight 9525.

Steve

Not much question I don't think.

 

[stan reid]

This year will be the 50th anniversary of the unsolved bombing of Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 21. On July 8 of 1965, the Douglas DC-6B crashed in BC after an explosive device went off in the restroom, blowing the tail off the plane. All 52 aboard were killed.

 

[stan reid]

This year will be the 50th anniversary of the unsolved bombing of Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 21. On July 8 of 1965, the Douglas DC-6B crashed in BC after an explosive device went off in the restroom, blowing the tail off the plane. All 52 aboard were killed.

And no real suspects that I know about.

 

[stan reid]

And no real suspects that I know about.

No terrorist group claimed responsibility so that makes it more likely it was for money, revenge or it was some lone nut.

 

[stan reid]

This year will be the 50th anniversary of the unsolved bombing of Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 21. On July 8 of 1965, the Douglas DC-6B crashed in BC after an explosive device went off in the restroom, blowing the tail off the plane. All 52 aboard were killed.

The anniversary is this coming Wednesday.

 

[stan reid]

On July 19 of 1994, Alas Chiricanas Flight 901 blew up shortly after taking off from Colon, Panama. All 21 aboard were killed. It is beleived that a suicide bomber passenger set off the explosion while inflight. The mass murder remains unsolved.

 

[stan reid]

On January 6 of 1960, a dynamite bomb went off aboard National Airlines Flight 2511. The DC-6 went down in North Carolina killing all 34 in the craft. Suspicion is that it was a suicide bomber. The body of Julian Frank was found many miles from the main crash site where all the other bodies were found and bore trama that indicated that he was closest to the explosion when it went off. Frank was having some legal problems so he was the center of the investigation although he was never officially named as a suspect and the case is still considered to be unsolved.

 

[vikingBerserker]

WOW!

 

[parsifal]

Korean airlines Flight 9002, though its no mystery

On April 20, 1978, Soviet air defense shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 902 (KAL 902) near Murmansk, Soviet Union, after the civilian aircraft violated Soviet airspace and failed to respond to Soviet ground control and interceptors. Soviet Air Defence Forces initially identified it as part of the US air reconnaissance force, which carried out thousands of flights along Soviet borders annually at the time. Captain Alexander Bosov, pilot of the Sukhoi Su-15 that brought down Flight 902, saw Asian logogram characters on the tail of the Korean aircraft, and reported this to the ground control. Despite this, Vladimir Tsarkov, commander of the 21st Soviet Air Defense Corps, ordered Bosov to take down the plane, as the plane failed to respond to repeated orders to land, and was approaching the Soviet border with Finland. The Su-15 opened fire, forcing the plane to descend, and killing two of the 109 passengers and crew members aboard Flight 902. The plane made an emergency landing on the frozen Korpiyarvi lake (not to be confused with the Korpijärvi lake) near the Finnish border



Korean airlines flight 007
Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (also known as KAL007 and KE007) was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage. On September 1, 1983, the airliner serving the flight was shot down by a Soviet Su-15 interceptor, near Moneron Island west of Sakhalin in the Sea of Japan. The interceptor's pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich. All 269 passengers and crew aboard were killed, including Larry McDonald, a Representative from Georgia in the United States House of Representatives. The aircraft was en route from Anchorage, Alaska, to Seoul when it flew through Soviet prohibited airspace around the time of a U.S. aerial reconnaissance mission.

The Soviet Union initially denied knowledge of the incident, but later admitted shooting it down, claiming that the aircraft was on a MASINT spy mission. The Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union said it was a deliberate provocation by the United States to test the Soviet Union's military preparedness, or even to provoke a war. The White House accused the Soviet Union of obstructing search and rescue operations. The Soviet Armed Forces suppressed evidence sought by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) investigation, such as the flight data recorders, which were released eight years later after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

The incident was one of the most tense moments of the Cold War and resulted in an escalation of anti-Soviet sentiment, particularly in the United States. The opposing points of view on the incident were never fully resolved; consequently, several groups continue to dispute official reports and offer alternative theories of the event. The subsequent release of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 transcripts and flight recorders by the Russian Federation has clarified some details.

As a result of the incident the United States altered tracking procedures for aircraft departing from Alaska. The interface of the autopilot used on airliners was redesigned to make it more ergonomic. In addition, the event was one of the most important single events that prompted the Reagan administration to allow worldwide access to the United States military satellite navigation system GNSS, which was classified at the time. Today this system, and others like it, are known as GPS.

Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that crashed on 17 July 2014 after being shot down, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board. The Boeing 777-200ER airliner lost contact about 50 km (31 mi) from the Ukraine–Russia border and crashed near Torez in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, 40 km (25 mi) from the border. The crash occurred during the Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion, part of the ongoing war in Donbass, in an area controlled by the Donbass People's Militia.

According to American and German intelligence sources, the plane was mistakenly shot down by pro-Russian insurgents using a Buk surface-to-air missile (SA-11) fired from the territory which they controlled. Their judgement was based on sensors that traced the path of the missile, analysis of fragment patterns in the wreckage, voice print analysis of conversations in which separatist militants claimed credit for the strike, as well as photos and other data from social media sites. On 13 October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) released a final report on their investigation into the incident, concluding that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air 9M38-series missile with 9N314M warhead launched from Eastern Ukraine.

The Russian government blamed the Ukrainian government for the incident, saying that Ukraine is responsible for the crash because it happened in Ukrainian airspace.[8] Immediately after the crash, a post appeared on the VKontakte social media profile attributed to Russian Colonel Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbass separatists, claiming responsibility for shooting down an AN-26 near Torez, but after it became clear that a civilian aircraft had been shot down, the separatists denied any involvement, and the post was taken down. An independent analysis by Bellingcat of open-source evidence indicated that Russian-backed separatists were in control of a Buk missile launcher on 17 July and transported it from Donetsk to Snizhne, while three eyewitnesses told the BBC that such a missile launcher was operated by a crew that seemed to be Russian in the area on that date.

The Ukrainian government stated that the missile was launched by "Russian professionals and coordinated from Russia". The German Federal Intelligence Service reportedly concluded that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a captured Ukrainian Buk system. In July 2015, Malaysia proposed a United Nations resolution to set up an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected of being behind the downing of the plane. While the proposal gained a majority on the UN Security Council (11 countries voting for it, 3 abstaining), it was vetoed by Russia. The crash of Flight 17 was the fifth Boeing 777 hull loss. The crash was Malaysia Airlines' worst incident and its second of the year, after the disappearance of Flight 370 four months earlier.

There is a pattern here. Do we have a psychopathic nation in our ranks?

 

[Gnomey]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing. Always someone who is a little trigger happy...

 

[Graeme]

Was Poland's Wartime Leader Murdered? | HistoryNet

 

[Graeme]

A 1993 theory was an empty mailbag "sucked" out of the open side hatch and lodging in the tail...