"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (21 Viewers)
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Greg Boeser
1st Lieutenant
Now THAT'S funny!
Pretty harsh words. I wonder if he has another book in the works…I see your point, but are the Russians flying MiGs in this war? As far as I see, the Russians are flying Sukhois, namely Su-27/30/35 fighters and Su-34 strike/bombers.
On paper, the Su-35 looks like it can take on mid-range Vipers of the sort being removed from storage for Ukraine. Though this retired Lt.Col. suggests otherwise.
Former F-16 pilot says Russian Su-35 jets "junk" compared to U.S. plane
"Deep down, it's not that good of a plane," according to a retired U.S. Air Force pilot.www.newsweek.com
MiTasol
Captain
Remember in ww2 the American "experts" were still saying that the Japanese were myopic and flying wooden aircraft long after Chennault had warned them about the new Japanese monoplanes and how good their pilots were.
Next possibility. Putin is looking for a way out of this mess. Someone has to get the blame. Gerasimov and Shoigu "advised" me to do
this becomes the theme after Prighozin reveals the truth but stops short of causing bloodshed in Moscow as he is loyal to Russia and
the supreme leader (Putin).
Gerasimov and Shoigu are pilloried. Russia stops attacking in order to bolster what is already taken. Ukraine, if they attack can still be
played as the aggressive baddies and everything is sweet - especially once Russia can start selling oil and gas again (not?).
this becomes the theme after Prighozin reveals the truth but stops short of causing bloodshed in Moscow as he is loyal to Russia and
the supreme leader (Putin).
Gerasimov and Shoigu are pilloried. Russia stops attacking in order to bolster what is already taken. Ukraine, if they attack can still be
played as the aggressive baddies and everything is sweet - especially once Russia can start selling oil and gas again (not?).
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
As long as Russian forces are within Ukraine's internationally recognized borders, Ukraine is justified in expelling the invaders regardless of whatever spin media puts on it.
My money is still on 28 June, for Ukraine to open a large can of whupass on Russian elements.
My money is still on 28 June, for Ukraine to open a large can of whupass on Russian elements.
machine shop tom
Senior Airman
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Forgive my if I missed it, but why 28 June?
Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
I'd imagine that throwing MoD under the bus would alienate yet another faction there in Russia.
The Ukrainians should, and probably will, pursue the advantage no matter what the Russians do ... and let Putin find time to lay blame on is own.
Absolutely. My post was from the perspective of feeding the Russian population the narrative rather than what the rest of
the world is going to think of it.
There is a seemingly delusional disconnect going on in Russia which is why we have been seeing so many bizarre headlines
in the last year+. This latest effort is hard to fathom but on the other hand what we see as reality doesn't seem to come into it.
MiTasol
Captain
hate to say it but that is all too real an scenario
RogerdeLluria
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Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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Not so sure about that.
This was a massive blunder by MoD and RF armed forces. They didn't see coming? They can't prevent happening? Putin was revealed to the world (and to the russian people) as extremely weak.
Can he trust Shoigu or Gerasimov any more? Even if he do trust them, can he allow to forget the failure and act as it didn't happen anything remarkable here? If he chose that, won't he apear even more weak?
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Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
No doubt, but it seems pretty clear to me that the Russian populace are pretty up on what is really going on, narrative or no. The vid upthread showing a crowd chanting "Wagner!", etc. These people aren't dummies. They've lived with enough rats to know the smell.
Prig has undercut Putin's time in office. How long, I can't say, but Putin's claim to be a strong man and a strong leader is torpedoed. That ship is limping -- at best.
Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
He's got to go with what he's got. As we say here in Tejas, it's not good to change horses midstream. Firing Shoigu or Gerasimov would only add weight to Prig's accusations and lend him more credibility.
Those two will be sidelined later, when the headlines are quieter, for this failure. But it won't be done now.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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Sure it could not be done right now but Putin can't defer the sacking for long. That could lead to another coup albeit the sacking could lead to one also.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
Right. He's painted into a corner -- keep these losers in charge despite their not stopping the rebellion, or fire them and admit that Russian military leadership is incompetent. Or delay any decision and find events overtaking him.
He missed the boat. It appears that he has no good answers, under these circumstances ... except to bide time. Will the Ukrainian offensive allow him that time?
ThomasP
Chief Master Sergeant
Hmmm . . 
Putin admits he lied about Nazis in Ukraine and the whole reason behind the invasion
Putin admits that he was too incompetent to realize that Shoigu and his intelligence people were lying to him
Putin claims that Prigozhin is lying and effectively admits all responsibility for the results of his decisions re invading Ukraine
Putin lets both Prigozhin and Shoigu live
I admit, I cannot decide which is more likely
Putin admits he lied about Nazis in Ukraine and the whole reason behind the invasion
Putin admits that he was too incompetent to realize that Shoigu and his intelligence people were lying to him
Putin claims that Prigozhin is lying and effectively admits all responsibility for the results of his decisions re invading Ukraine
Putin lets both Prigozhin and Shoigu live
I admit, I cannot decide which is more likely
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