Well the Abrams are already reported as starting to arrive in September.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Autumn didn't seem to stop the Ukrainians last year. I had previously written essentially what you've offered above.
'The Russians were waiting for us': Ukraine troops describe tougher fight than expected
They rode into a kill zone. The timing was off. Many men were lost. In the end, they recaptured the ruined village of Staromaiorske, claiming Ukraine's biggest advance for weeks.
Russia will monitor Saudi-hosted Ukraine peace talks
30 countries were invited to discussions on Ukraine in Jeddah — but the Kremlin isn’t included.
Probably similar to this one: Lilalu Badeente Influencerin Ente
What Russia's 'forgotten offensive' tells us about the trajectory of war in Ukraine
So far, the Ukrainians appear to have been able to minimise Russian gains in Luhansk. But what does this new Russian offensive tell us about Russia's strategy and the trajectory of the war, asks Mick Ryan.
www.abc.net.au
Glider
Captain
It says a lot that Russia were ready and waiting. They were able to spring the Ambush from well prepared positions and hit the Ukraine forces hard, but still lost. The Ukraine forces involved were in a nightmare scenario and still came out on top.'The Russians were waiting for us': Ukraine troops describe tougher fight than expected
They rode into a kill zone. The timing was off. Many men were lost. In the end, they recaptured the ruined village of Staromaiorske, claiming Ukraine's biggest advance for weeks.www.reuters.com
This was an unusually well prepared Russian defence and lets all hope that this will not be the norm. I like to think that it won't be the norm because Ukraine will analyse and learn.
As an aside I would like to know what he was riding in. It hit a landmine, then a direct hit from presumably some form of anti tank missile, and still everyone was all right.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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So much of a blockade.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I pretty much agree with you and Thump. I hope there is a serious collapse in the Russian lines and the AFU can close the distance to Crimea, cutting off the land bridge. If the land bridge could be made untenable and the Kerch Bridge's utility be further restricted, it would strengthen Ukraine's position in the eyes of the West. Ideally this must happen before Putin is gone. A replacement tsar could sound "reasonable" by saying "we pull out of Luhansk (Donbas too?) but we keep Crimea." I could see the less committed allies caving in to that. If Ukraine has demonstrably cut off Crimea (the water supply is already cut), establish a bridgehead by the Nova Kakhovka dessert as well as closing in on Berdiansk or Mariupol, I could see a more united western front.
Glider
Captain
I agree with a lot of what has been said and we all agree that logistics is the big issue. If the railway bridge can be broken and the key parts of the land bridge be restricted that Russia will find it difficult to supply the population and armed forces in Crimea. A long cold winter with few supplies might well end the Russian resolve.
The population of Crimea was about 2.2 million in Sept 2014, you cannot supply that many people over the winter, using roads alone.
Regarding the supply of ammunition to Ukraine the UK will increase its production capacity of 155mm shells eight fold from the end of September. As long as we are willing to spend the money on the orders I think Ukraine should have enough with everyone else chipping in
Admiral Beez
Major
I didn't think in the post-Royal Arsenal et al era the Brits had any artillery production capability left. Certainly nothing like the below?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgShcXoqHcU&pp=ygUXdXMgYXJ0aWxsZXJ5IHByb2R1Y3Rpb24%3D
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Glider
Captain
No we have always kept a minimum production for the heavy Artillery shells but BAe have been given a £400 m order for ammunition and this has enabled them to modernise one production line introduce a new production line.
Other ammunition orders include the 5.56 and 30mm ammunition the later of which had stopped production as the Warrior was being withdrawn. However Ukraine do use the Rarden and the need has become obvious
buffnut453
Captain
Really? You're comparing the US which has 6 times the population, 6 times the GDP, and goodness knows how much larger in physical land mass when compared to the UK. Hardly a balanced analysis of the situation.
The Brits can build 2 aircraft carriers, develop their own tanks, armoured fighting vehicles and artillery, their own light weapons, they have one of the largest jet engine companies in the world, and have major stakes in aircraft design, engineering, and manufacture...and yet you thought they couldn't make their own ammunition?
Your comment really is quite startling in its apparent belief that the UK and US are even in the same league when it comes to weapon production capacity.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
As normal individual persons - that is normal behaviour
For their politicians and military - not that often
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
We make damned good ice cream too!
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Canoes converted to drones like the Ukrainians have been doing these past 500+ days
Admiral Beez
Major
Untie your knickers there my boy. I'm saying I didn't know the British had any capacity to produce 155mm rounds, and am wondering what it looks like, and suggesting that it wouldn't compare to the US, for the reasons of scale you and the rest of us are aware of. Settle down, have a pint and enjoy the summer evening. Sheesh, some come here for interesting convo, others come to knock others down. The choice is yours.
Here's the useful, and dare I say it congenial reply you could have written, plus a relevant article and informative video tour of the facility:
"BAE produces NATO-standard 155mm artillery rounds at its Washington plant in the North East of England and assembles them in Glascoed, Wales."
Take a look inside the BAE Systems factory making munitions for the military
Forces News has been given special access to the BAE Systems factory near Newcastle to see how munitions are made.
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Xi must be really ticked off with his unlimited friend right now. Putin has got the collective west gearing up on ammo production.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
If Ukraine can isolate Crimea, starving them out is a matter of time. I see this attack as a step in that direction ("Gosh, now you've got two bridges to fix"). There's two other routes to supply Crimea, both running past the Azov Sea and reliant upon the Russians holding the roadnet in Zaporizhia. The Ukrainians have damaged the Kerch Bridge, now have the next-closest bridge to the west stuffed, and have two more routes to shut down.
I believe this is not an accident. I think they're isolating Crimea's supply-lines in preparation for an attack to be set up when the southern offensive compresses the supply lines sufficiently.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Read a statement earlier made by the Ukraine MoD, who stated that the "main" part of their offensive has not been launched yet. He stated (as he has earlier) "you'll know it when you see it".
So as has been mentioned here a while back, it appears that Ukraine is probing and pressuring Russian lines all across the board as a precursor.
So as has been mentioned here a while back, it appears that Ukraine is probing and pressuring Russian lines all across the board as a precursor.
