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Russia's defense minister ordered officials to prepare a "response" to U.S. drone flights over the Black Sea, the ministry said Friday, in an apparent warning that Moscow may take forceful action to ward off the American reconnaissance aircraft.

The Russian Defense Ministry noted a recent "increased intensity" of U.S. drones over the Black Sea, saying they "conduct intelligence and targeting for precision weapons supplied to the Ukrainian military by Western countries for strikes on Russian facilities."

"It shows an increased involvement of the U.S. and other NATO countries in the conflict in Ukraine on the side of the Kyiv regime," the ministry said in a statement.

It noted that "such flights significantly increase the probability of incidents involving Russian military aircraft, which increases the risk of direct confrontation between the alliance and the Russian Federation."

"NATO members will bear responsibility for that," it added.

The ministry said that Defense Minister Andrei Belousov has directed the General Staff to "make proposals on measures of operative response to provocations."

Russia warns of possible response to US drone flights over Black Sea

Russia’s Defense Ministry says officials have been ordered to prepare a response to U.S. drone flights over the Black Sea.
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Adding in the EMB-314 to the above:

  • Maximum speed: 590 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 520 km/h
  • Stall speed: 148 km/h
Still potentially too fast to be practical
 
Those talking about COIN aircraft or similar being used over or close to the front line to hunt drones have to remember that any such platform will be almost certainly shot down very, very quickly. You also need to remember that the speed difference between most of the drones in operation and the aircraft will make it extremely difficult to enable pilots to get kills unless they are equipped with an advanced targeting system. The drones are typically very small and pilots will be forced to slow down to almost stall speed in many cases which will again put them at risk.

It is a different matter if operating well behind the front but again speed differences will be challenging.

Once again, I see the following as the most practical options:
  • Ground based systems
  • Helicopters
  • perhaps other drones
 
I remember the YouTuber, Denys Davydov, saying he flew them. He had mentioned having a few private pilot friends and skydiving clubs early in his war reporting. I think I saw one, or the remains of one in the pictures of Mriya's wreckage.
 
COIN aircraft not have only targeting equipment but countermeasures.

They are military aircraft and designed for hostile environments, just like their fighter-jet cousins.

The larger drones, which Ukraine's Yak-52 has been hunting, can be detected, targeted and engaged by a COIN.

And just like their bigger cousins, can also detect a hostile lock from ground elements and deploy countermeasurs.

So at this point, we need to ask just how many times has that solitary Yak-52 been shot down?
 
Wouldn't it be fun if the Russians went to engage what they thought was a Global Hawk, only to discover it was actually a Reaper packing AIM-9s on it's hardpoints?
 
GrauGeist said:
COIN aircraft not have only targeting equipment but countermeasures.
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The main sensors they have is FLIR. And yes they might have countermeasures but they are not invincible, just as frontline fighters are not invincible.
GrauGeist said:
They are military aircraft and designed for hostile environments, just like their fighter-jet cousins.
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Still not invincible and the name COIN says it all: Counterinsurgency. That is, military or political action taken against the activities of guerrillas or revolutionaries. They are not meant to be major war platforms.

BTW, from the reports I have seen, all the instances of the Yak-52 engaging the drones has been far behind combat lines.
GrauGeist said:
The larger drones, which Ukraine's Yak-52 has been hunting, can be detected, targeted and engaged by a COIN.
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The drones reportedly shot down by the Yak 52 have been:
  • ZALA 421-16EM: Length 0.9m, wingspan 1.8m, Speed 65km/h - 110km/h


  • Orlan-10/30: Length 1.8m, wingspan 3.8m, Speed 70-150 km/h


And yes they may be able to be detected though easy targeting and engagement is a different matter especially if the drones are operating at speeds below their maximums which means they will typically be well below the stall speeds of most if not all COIN platforms.
 
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