Thumpalumpacus
Major
No need, I take your word.
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His comment was back late in February, I had posted it and then several other posts popped up by others shortly after, about Poland will provide, Poland won't provide and so on.
I beleive it all started about 30-40 pages into this thread.
If I have time tomorrow, I'll look for it.
Well, it was bugging me because I couldn't recall who it was that made the statement.No need, I take your word.
So now this begs the question:In the Daily Telegraph today there is a story of the Russian 4th Guards Tank Division which is recognised as being a first line unit being destroyed in battle in the town of Trostyanets.
There are a couple of interesting points about this.
1) The first is that this is one of the elite units and would have been well equipped with the best equipment available
2) Second, the battle took place only 15 miles from the Russian Border so its fair to assume that the lack of supplies wouldn't have been as bad as those units deep in the Ukraine
3) Being so close to the border you would have expected air support and reinforcements to be available
4) Russia captured the town on the 1st March and would have had plenty of time to prepare the town for defence
5) The division broke, leaving a lot of equipment, stores and supplies behind including a fully equipped and operation field kitchen
Put this lot together and the picture isn't good for Putin. If a unit like this can suffer this kind of reverse think what would happen to a replacement unit thrown together at short notice
Kinda reminds me of the RCAF's CF-18'sI think that fit's the truth, keeping in mind that these MiG's had been delivered to the former East-German Air-force between 1988-1989, as such now being almost 35 years old with
about 26 having seen service (and as such maintained) between 1990-2000 with the reunified German Luftwaffe. In 2004 the remaining 22 were sold (more or less for free - as Germany's
NATO contribution towards Poland).
AFAIK only 10-12 were used by the Polish Air-force at 22nd air base in Malbork , and. 2-3 of the trainer-version MiG-29UB at 23rd air base in Minsk Mazowiecki.
Regards
Jagdflieger
Our member J_P_C could probably expand on this.I think that fit's the truth, keeping in mind that these MiG's had been delivered to the former East-German Air-force between 1988-1989, as such now being almost 35 years old with
about 26 having seen service (and as such maintained) between 1990-2000 with the reunified German Luftwaffe. In 2004 the remaining 22 were sold (more or less for free - as Germany's
NATO contribution towards Poland).
AFAIK only 10-12 were used by the Polish Air-force at 22nd air base in Malbork , and. 2-3 of the trainer-version MiG-29UB at 23rd air base in Minsk Mazowiecki.
Regards
Jagdflieger
Hi JDCAVE,Kinda reminds me of the RCAF's CF-18's
What is hilarious is knowing that it doesn't matter if they do or not. They're in a spot where the Russian's will be eating themselves in hate and fear over who is and who isn't a spyInteresting interview.
Ukraine’s Intel Chief: We Have Sources in the Kremlin, but We Need Jets
According to Ukraine's Intel Chief, they have sources in the Kremlin, so they have insight but still need jets.coffeeordie.com
Need to add FoxNews and Comrade Carlson in there...This is a very useful bit of information on the sources of Russian disinformation. We rarely hear from these directly but they are then used for stories in pro-Russian media that we do see. (That's as far as I'll take that line of enquiry to avoid getting deep in the partisan political weeds.)
Please see the last wee bit of my commentNeed to add FoxNews and Comrade Carlson in there...
Mig-29 story in PAF is difficult to explain simple way. First - technical side - instead of seeing this as one type we should rather think about this as a separate 2-3 subvariants with different modification level. As any other soviet origin military equipment this airplane tybe have been and still is source of headache for PAF because of lack or very limited support from manufacturer side. Enough to mention that all mdifications made during 35 years of service have been done without OKB MIG support, all spares during last more than 15 years have been sourced indirectly - most of it from Belarus or ... Ukraine. I think this comments indirectly answering on your question related to combat readiness of this equipment. Note : technical condition is not equal to combat readiness - it is just one of it's numerous factors.Our member J_P_C could probably expand on this.
Regardless of their condition, shouldn't it be up to the Ukrainians to determine whether these aircraft can be brought back into service or cannibalized of some politician? I heard Jen Psaki talk about them the other day and she used the term "Fully Mission Capable" like she was trying to pronounce something in Chinese!
Thank you for this detained insight and I'm not surprised by your comments. Again, if this equipment was made available barring any agreements within NATO or Russia, shouldn't end user (Ukraine) make the final decision if it's worth their time and effort to pursue this equipment?Mig-29 story in PAF is difficult to explain simple way. First - technical side - instead of seeing this as one type we should rather think about this as a separate 2-3 subvariants with different modification level. As any other soviet origin military equipment this airplane tybe have been and still is source of headache for PAF because of lack or very limited support from manufacturer side. Enough to mention that all mdifications made during 35 years of service have been done without OKB MIG support, all spares during last more than 15 years have been sourced indirectly - most of it from Belarus or ... Ukraine. I think this comments indirectly answering on your question related to combat readiness of this equipment. Note : technical condition is not equal to combat readiness - it is just one of it's numerous factors.
So, from that I take it that Ukraine has (or had) plenty of spares, so they need serviceable aircraft?all spares during last more than 15 years have been sourced indirectly - most of it from Belarus or ... Ukraine.