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EKB said:
No you won't. I'm not the one who wants a NATO intervention, or billions in welfare payments made to some aspiring East European ethnostate that is not a member of NATO.
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I am awaiting with some interest a response to the questions I raised in posting 35,489. If it helps

a) You do know that Zelensky is Jewish, don't you.

b) How many Ukraine citizens have asked to be rescued by Russia

c) If they are so keen to be rescued by Russia, why are they fighting so hard to not be rescued.

I admit that I don't expect a reply, but I do live in hope and always believe that the you deserve the chance to support your statements.
 
Glider said:
I am awaiting with some interest a response to the questions I raised in posting 35,489. If it helps

a) You do know that Zelensky is Jewish, don't you.

b) How many Ukraine citizens have asked to be rescued by Russia

c) If they are so keen to be rescued by Russia, why are they fighting so hard to not be rescued.

I admit that I don't expect a reply, but I do live in hope and always believe that the you deserve the chance to support your statements.
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He won't reply to your honest questions.

He (I am assuming it is a he, but hey, this is 2024, so one never knows) never responded to my questions that were on a legitimate level - all I got was a circular response that included insults.
That indicates that he/she/they doesn't have an educated grasp of their position and has to resort to the time-worn circular argument bolstered by insults in order to prop up their narrative.
 
GrauGeist said:
He won't reply to your honest questions.

He (I am assuming it is a he, but hey, this is 2024, so one never knows) never responded to my questions that were on a legitimate level - all I got was a circular response that included insults.
That indicates that he/she/they doesn't have an educated grasp of their position and has to resort to the time-worn circular argument bolstered by insults in order to prop up their narrative.
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I totally agree but, you never know. It might, just might raise a question in his mind.

After all, casualties north of 500,000 killed and wounded must have some impact in Russia. There is a good chance that he may know someone who has payed in blood for Putin's ego.
 
EKB said:
If you feel so strongly about the war then book a flight to Ukraine and get in the trenches and fight, instead of hiding behind your keyboard. Same goes for the other heroes who are all talk and no action.
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So you're posting from the front-lines?

Right, I didn't think so.

EKB said:
No you won't. I'm not the one who wants a NATO intervention, or billions in welfare payments made to some aspiring East European ethnostate that is not a member of NATO.
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But you are the one slugging for Russia online without any skin in the game.
 
That's the trouble with self-determination. Which selves get to make the determination.
Kiev and Muscovy have a long history. There are many Muscovites who have lived in Ukraine for generations. The modern borders (post 1991) of Ukraine are based on the borders of the Ukrainian SSR which voted 90% for independence in August of that year.
Do we believe that the 10% should overrule the vast majority of the populace?
For years the new Ukrainian government looked east for support. But when a new government, that wanted to turn to the West took over, Russia moved in to "protect" its own interests. Sadly there were many turncoats in both the military and the government, and the sovereignty of the country was violated. The West looked away. As it had so many times in the past: Germany - 1953, Hungary - 1956, Czechoslovakia - 1968, Moldova -1992, Georgia - 2008.
So why should this time be any different?
For eight years, Russia's proxies, aided by Spetznaz and mercenaries had been fighting in Ukraine. Crimea had been annexed with the usual finger wagging and hand wringing in the West.
Some joker got himself elected president, whose biggest claim to fame was playing piano no-handed with his pants down. Nobody was going to DO anything. UN Security Coucil resolutions could be vetoed. And after a quick occupation, and some ineffective sanctions, things could settle down to normal. After all, the American president basically said that he might permit a "small incursion".
But, nooOOOoo! Turns out the reason the guy could play the piano with no hands is he's got balls of steel. Doesn't cut and run. Shames the collective "Great Western Powers" into backing him.
So, go ahead. Toss out those conspiracy theories about Nazis and George Soros and the Illuminati, and the Military Industrial Complex and the Gnomes of Zurich.
 
I am going to lock this for a day, just to get the message through.

I don't want to see personal attacks on this thread. You guys are lucky that we allow politics in this thread, but I don't want it to go south. For the ones concerned, please be more respectful.

I will re-open the thread after a day.
 
EKB said:
A statement that affirms we live in the United States of Amnesia.

Your Russia-phobic sanctimony sounds like sour grapes from a hedge-fund manager on Wall Street or the City of London. I suppose you want me to shed tears for a bunch of goose-stepping Nazi knuckleheads of Ukraine, led by that Kapo Zelensky. They cannot hide by simply re-flagging and rolling down their sleeves to cover up the swastika tattoos.

Apparently you forgot that the United States invaded Mexico and annexed more than half of its territory, which is now seven states between California and Texas. Manifest destiny was a b*tch. Although the most important difference is that the Russians don't need to spend $250 billion arming the Mexicans, because the drug cartels are already heavily armed and control the market in the U.S. border states. No doubt that Pfizer is jealous.

If you think that Russia should handle a border dispute differently, then you suffer from delusions. And what's more, the large Russian population of eastern Ukraine has a right to declare independence from the local government, just as the American colonies declared independence from England.

By the way, can I get a commitment from you that it's all good for Mexico City to officially reclaim former territory in Communist California? Let's face it, that would be no great loss. I was hoping that Hollywood and Silicon Valley would be swallowed by an earthquake by now.

Grant in Mexico: "one of the most unjust (wars) ever waged" - U.S. Army official site

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Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
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During your short break from this thread I suggest you take a breath, and go read the forum rules on political discussion and etiquette before posting again.

Personal attacks are not tolerated. Understood?
 
And everyone, please don't get upset when we temporarily close a thread. It is not permanent, and only while the staff gets their arms wrapped around the situation. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUNISH EVERYONE WHO IS CIVIL BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW.

We don't need everyone ragging on us because of it. It just makes our job more difficult. Let us get through the situation, have our discussions, take whatever actions we feel necessary, and then reopen the thread. Usually this can be done rather quickly, and it helps us from making possible rash decisions while the thread cools off.

Also, a word on Freedom of Speech and Censorship. Freedom of Speech is the right to express ideas and opinions without fear of punishment, retaliation, or censorship from the government. It technically does not apply to this forum. We are not the government. This is a private forum, and every member agrees to the forum rules. NOW HAVING SAID THAT. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN CENSORSHIP HERE, AND DO NOT CENSOR OR DELETE POSTS WE DO NOT AGREE WITH. WE WELCOME DIFFERENT VIEWS AS LONG AS IT REMAINS CIVIL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE FORUM RULES THAT EVERYONE AGREED TO. THIS IS SO DISCUSSIONS REMAIN CIVIL AND INFORMATIVE TO ALL. IF A POST IS DELETED IT IS BECAUSE OF HOW IT WAS MADE, SUCH AS FILLED WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS. THAT IS ALSO THE ONLY WAY SOMEONE WILL GET BANNED WHEN PRESENTING THEIR VIEW/OPINION.

Basically present your argument without personal attacks and you are fine.

Thanks

P.S. The bold and all caps is not me yelling. Just want to emphasize those parts by making them stand out. ;)
 
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