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The Taliban ran an excellent offensive, waiting until the exhausted US and Allies fled the field and then marched into Kabul and overwhelmed the terrified defenders, who also fled. It's an offensive to mark the ages. 2021 Taliban offensive - Wikipedia The Ukrainians should be so lucky.
As for with what, I wrote that the Ukranians need to have an offensive in the works. They can launch it in May or June when much of the heaviest weaponry from the West is in place, but they'd better be preparing to retake lost territory. If Ukraine settles for a defensive strategy they'll lose a lot of territory in the peace.
Agreed. Much of the Russian army has its back to Ukraine as they deal with Mariupol. If, and and a big if, the Ukrainians have the forces now is a good a chance to hit the Russians, since once Mariupol is defeated the Russians will turn around and concentrate their forces on the offensive. If the Ukrainians do not have the forces now for an offensive, they need to whittle down the Russians, as you suggest and prepare to hit them when the latter are weakest.Ukraine has to time this right though with offensive action being targeted at weak points as they arise.
So again I ask: Go on the offensive with what? What capabilities do you think they can use to carry forward a successful offensive?
That is the best strategy for the long term.On the mark i think. Besides a defensive war will be more in the intrest of nato. It will bleed the russian forces more the a ukraine offensive.
That is the best strategy for the long term.
I don't think the Battle of the Atlantic should be categorized as "Defensive". The air campaign against the U-boats was an offensive strategy.Or the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic......
NATO consists of fickle, pragmatic countries. Their united position will eventually falter, even now the German unions are protesting Berlin's plan to stop buying Russian oil by end of 2022. Pro-Russian Greeks are protesting on the streets that the sanctions and anti-Russian action are impacting tourism. Bulgarians with Russian flags protested a recent NATO visit. I have little faith that the Italians, French, Bulgarians, etc. have the long-term staying power to keep up their opposition to Russia. Once Putin takes the Donbass and the land bridge to Crimea he may very well declare a unilateral ceasefire and call for negotiations with Kyiv. The Ukrainians will have to attend the talks, and stand down their own troops while they take place. At that point, the weaker-minded/spined Euros will be calling for peace and pressuring Zelensky to come to terms. If this happens, Ukraine will never regain those territories.Besides a defensive war will be more in the intrest of nato. It will bleed the russian forces more the a ukraine offensive.
That came later after the defence stage where air cover was not complete. At that stage the U-boats were on the offensive.I don't think the Battle of the Atlantic should be categorized as "Defensive". The air campaign against the U-boats was an offensive strategy.
Jim
And this time, the Soviets don't have lend lease. The other guy does.Ukraine forces stalled the initial Russian offensive with defense and counter-attack tactics.
They're doing a remarkable job with what they have and are using their home-turf knowledge to great advantage.
This has become a war of attrition and the Ukrainians are bleeding the Russians beyond sustainable levels.
In WWII, the Soviets did the same thing at Stalingrad. They forced the Germans to commit and expend unsustainable levels of men and material.
Fortunately for the Ukraine, the Russian leadership doesn't seem to have read any WWII history books.And this time, the Soviets don't have lend lease. The other guy does.
sorry to say so but you are wrong at many points as other peoples who are analysing this war just considering numbersI know everyone's having fun mocking Putin and the Russian performance in this war, but let me play Devil's Advocate for a moment (I went to a Jesuit school, it's what we do).
Russia has a real chance of victory in this second phase. They've paused major operations for several weeks, rested and repositioned forces from northern Ukraine and are preparing the ground for a major wide-front invasion with multiple prongs. The stage is set for them and they have the initiative.
Russia has lots of things going for it. They've got air supremacy (although not full dominance), artillery supremacy and significant advantages over the Ukrainians in terms of heavy ground forces - both in terms of numbers, quality and overall mobility. Russia can bring substantially more firepower to any one point at any one time than their opponents can, and in war that matters
They've also got advantages in terms of strategic mobility. Russia basically has control of when and where it attacks. If the Russian Army does encounter strong opposition, it can re-position/reset its axes of advance, or concentrate forces on completely a different axis.
Most of Ukraine's manpower is relatively static/foot mobile and comprised of lightly armed reservists. These troops work well when defending fixed positions against other light forces and 'Thunder Run' style rapid attacks. I question their ability to survive and contribute meaningfully on a battlefield being prepared by artillery and against an opponent using proper combined arms tactics with heavy forces.
Russia and it's leaders - both political and military - aren't dumb (no matter how we might like to deride them). It's armed forces got a rude shock in the initial phase, because their perception of reality and the actual situation on the ground were very different.
I suspect though that they have now had time to adjust and figure some things out. Like logistics. And communications. And SEAD.
Worst case for me is the Russia's second phase operation fixes some of Ukraine's heavy regular army units in place the East of the country, and then manages to destroy them with overwhelming firepower. Then they use these openings in the front to break into open territory where they're opposed by light/reserve/less mobile forces. There's little to stop them completing a major encirclement, with forces linking up from the north and south.
Surviving Ukrainian troops are forced to withdraw westward or are trapped in a pocket. Either way, very heavy losses ensue - including most of Ukraine's heavy equipment and regular army troops. Ukrainian general staff is forced to give up on a wide front in eastern Ukraine, pulling back to the northwest to defend a shorter line (maybe Dnipro-Kharkiv, or Kremenchuk-Poltava-Kharkiv if things really go bad).
Russia ends up controlling everything on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River up to Dnipro City itself and then a large chunk of the country immediately north of that all the way up to the Russian border. It then halts its advance at whatever new defensive line the Ukrainians manage to establish, settles into a defensive posture, declares a 'mission accomplished' with a parade through Red Square and calls for a general cease fire.
Ukrainians become disenchanted with their government after losing the war, blame Zelensky for getting them into something they could never win and vote him out a few years later. In his place is a Russian-friendly candidate who promises to restore good relations with Russia in exchange for some territorial adjustments. He signs a peace treaty, ceding control of certain territories to Russia on the promise of 'free and fair' referendums on whether they want to be part of Russia or not.
End result, Russia acquires ~20-25% of Ukranian territory, controls 80% of its access to the Black Sea and ends up with four or five cities with populations of more than 250,000.
Here endeth the fantasy. Which - in my own not so modest opinion - is not actually that fantastical.
(Of course, I'm ignoring the wider economic and geostrategic issues here. Just assume that Russia's economy is f*cked but it can still win the war using available reserves)
Memories of the Kursk and Putin's neglect of families. The video of the sailor's mother being drugged and dragged out of the press conference was horrible.The loss of he Moskova might signal the beginning of discontent in Russia.
With sunken warship, Russian disinformation faces a test. (Published 2022)
Families of missing crew members say the Russian authorities are giving them the runaround after a flagship sank last week in the Black Sea.www.nytimes.com
I sometimes think hitting BMPs is a waste of a ATGW, unless the vehicle is carrying troops. The Russians have thousands of BMPs. Better to save your powder and hit the tanks, mobile artillery and BMPs on the move that suggest they're full of troops.Lovely:
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