"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)
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Warspite63
Senior Airman
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- Dec 8, 2022
Agreed - a flawed framework for international conduct is better than no framework at all
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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- Feb 27, 2020
Don't forget that USSR with Uncle Joe at the helm was there from the start, so I think that was envisioned.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Stalin wanted to -- and did -- abuse his nation's position on the SC but you've got a lot of work to do to convince me that FDR and Churchill were fine with that -- especially after the Yalta Conference. Are you honestly arguing that they intended to give Stalin a free hand?
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
No, they intended that they would have a free hand.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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- Feb 27, 2020
buffnut453
Captain
Don't know if this is wishful thinking on the part of the West but, if there's a genuine rift between the Wagner Group and the Russian military, I'll be getting some popcorn ready to munch as I watch the fallout:
www.rferl.org
Russian Mercenary Leader's War Of Words With Moscow's Military Brass Deepens Amid Fighting In Bakhmut
The war of words is the latest in what many analysts see as a deepening rift under way between the Russian military elite and Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner mercenary company, amid Russia’s setbacks on the battlefield.
www.rferl.org
at6
1st Sergeant
I tried having a free hand once. I had to leave the rest of her in the cemetery.
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ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Well said Admiral Beez!
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Right, but that doesn't encompass the entirety of the reasons for the founding countries of the UN, only one; so claiming that the UN is operating "exactly as intended" is not accurate. It's operating as intended by one nation.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
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In America's Last Election from If You're Listening, Matt Bevan leaves his basement and heads to the US, examining the chaotic aftermath of the 2020 election and what it means for the vote this November.
In a word, "YES."
fubar57
General
The biggest mistake.....so far
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
The UN is operating in the way intended by the founders. If each nation's vote were equal, a bunch of small countries could band together against the imperial powers embodied in the permanent members of the Security Council. Seven decades later, in spite of the collapse of the French, British and Russian empires, their veto powers remain.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
That part is accurate, but it doesn't address my point.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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The US, UK, and France ended WW2 with either spheres of influence or outright colonial empires. They all wanted to make sure that the UN wouldn't interfere with, say, their actions in Central America, Iraq (basically run by the UK through a puppet government), or Algeria. While it's impossible to argue that Stalin was interested in freedom anyplace or at anytime, there were times and places when the US, UK, and France weren't terribly concerned with it, either.
Admiral Beez
Major
One of the flaws with the League of Nations was that the US was not a member, in this case voluntarily. Germany was also excluded until 1926, and the USSR expelled in Dec 1939 when it invaded Finland. You need to have all the world powers involved in any such global forums as the UN.
