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I was thinking this as well. Russia's invasion has pushed Ukrainian's sense of national identity, and pushed Ukraine's exposure to how the West does things.I found this interesting. One of the common complaints about Ukraine is the historically rife corruption. Ironically, Russia's invasion may actually help Zelensky et al overcome the major drivers of that corruption, the Ukrainian oligarchs:
Russia's war drains Ukraine's rich list of power
Ukraine's billionaire oligarchs have lost money and influence because of the war.www.bbc.com
Right, but it took occupying those countries to force them to face their pasts, and even so, it's incomplete. Russia, on the other hand, has laws on the books forbidding honest discussion of this war. The change in leadership will have to be drastic, because any Putinite will likely enforce those laws.
I think it vital that Russia is defeated while Putin is still in power. If he passes before this war ends, it might encourage imperialists to view him as a martyr. His army must be crushed while Putler is still in charge. This war must be viewed as a defeat for Putin, not some lesser czar. He must be humiliated. Russia's economic woes must be inextricably linked to Vladolph. With that said, no one will be marching into Moscow with troops to kick down the door of the palace and remove the czar and convince Russia, Putin LOST.
I read of a British plan to execute Hitler but it was canceled because Sir Winston Churchill felt it necessary that Hitler take responsibility for the defeat and dire straights of Dem Deutsche Volk.
I agree completely. They must be defeated, and he must be deposed. There must also be some form of legit trial and repercussions.
I knew some people who went there prior to 2014 to buy L39s and L39 engine parts, they spoke about the corruptionRegarding corruption in Ukraine, there has been some real progress toward eliminating it and weeding out the key sources.
Here are some quick sources (yes, I know...wiki) but provides a solid timeline and overview:
Regarding corruption in Ukraine, there has been some real progress toward eliminating it and weeding out the key sources.
Here are some quick sources (yes, I know...wiki) but provides a solid timeline and overview:
Especially when many of those exact same people are corrupt (financially or morally or both) themselves ...I get very frustrated with people who say the West shouldn't be helping Ukraine because of the nation's history of corruption. If Zelensky's leadership wasn't addressing corruption, then I'd be more accepting of those sentiments. However, progress has been, and continues to be, made. Unfortunately, it's a slow process. There's no magic wand that Zelensky can wave to instantly fix deep-rooted corruption challenges.
Agreed.Somewhere in the bowels of this thread is a post about an annual index of corruption that lists countries from least to most corrupt. From 2014 to 2020, Ukraine made substantial strides, rising higher up that index list. It's still a work-in-progress but it's clear that Ukraine has been moving in the right direction for close to a decade now.
I get very frustrated with people who say the West shouldn't be helping Ukraine because of the nation's history of corruption. If Zelensky's leadership wasn't addressing corruption, then I'd be more accepting of those sentiments. However, progress has been, and continues to be, made. Unfortunately, it's a slow process. There's no magic wand that Zelensky can wave to instantly fix deep-rooted corruption challenges.
Withholding aid until Ukraine reaches some externally-defined measure of incorruption will simply leave the door open for Russia to achieve its objectives and dominate ever-larger swaths of Ukraine. It's not like the West doesn't have relationships with other less-than-ideal regimes...indeed, many Western regimes are, themselves, far from ideal.
That was quite a long (and depressing) article.Regarding corruption in Ukraine, there has been some real progress toward eliminating it and weeding out the key sources.
Here are some quick sources (yes, I know...wiki) but provides a solid timeline and overview:
True, but it does show considerable improvement as well as positive results.That was quite a long (and depressing) article.