"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
A point that comes up is: throwing strength against strength is playing into Russia's strategy. The AFU can throw their best maneuver units at the meat grinder OR use them to better effect striking where the enemy ain't. The damage the AFU can do would be much greater than wasting them in a war of attrition.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
However, the Chief of the Air Force was relieved of his command and the UAF has not discounted allegations that the Patriot system was the cause.
Admiral Beez
Major
Unless the Chief through his orders, actions or omissions to those under his command caused the F-16's loss through not ensuring the Patriot Battery's IFF was setup or that its commander was aware of the F-16's operating nearby, firing the Chief does seem extreme. You're supposed to lose aircraft and pilots in war, that's why you must have more than one, or in this case six F-16s.
I'm worried that Zelenskyy has acted like that scene in Downfall where he's shouting at and blaming his general staff. You lost a plane and a pilot - not the war. Now take a breath, and now you and your new Air Force Chief need a plan to get more.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Right. There's a lot still up in the air. I therefore think that awaiting the results of the investigation is appropriate. I'm just some schlub online with no insider info. I'd hate to cast false accusations and won't do so; therefore, I withhold judgement until those looking into it see fit to release pertinent info. There's too many possible explanations to settle on one explanation right now, to my mind.
Maybe the IFF didn't work. Maybe either the pilot or the SAM crew-chief didn't turn on IFF. Maybe the F-16 got its last kill by accidentally running into its target cruise missile. Maybe something on the airplane went badly wrong and resulted in turbine disintegration. We simply don't know, and admitting that much is not a bad thing right now.
I agree with A Admiral Beez Beezy that the firing of the UAF general is not in and of itself evidence of cause.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Possibly, but remember that dividing weaker forces in the face of a stronger enemy, a la Lee sending Stuart off on unrelated recon and raiding meant Lee had less recon and reserve at Gettysburg proper, may have cost Lee that battle.
Do Ukraine's objectives around Kursk outweigh Russian objectives around Pokrovsk? I can't say. I personally cotton to the massing of forces, but there are times when a diversion provides more than the simple objective of the diversion itself.
At other times, as you point out, sneaking a knife into the back of the enemy's knee produces outsized results.
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
I don't read Zelenskyy in that sort of character.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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Ukraine Pushing Slowly West In Russia Towards Key Kursk City
The town of Glushkovo is the last bastion for an estimated 3,000 Russian troops trapped south of the Seim River in Kursk.
www.twz.com
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I have no idea. My military experience was using my green army men to defend the living room against the evil tan army men.
Whatever the AFU is doing, I hope it works. How do you fight an enemy that already starts out demoralized and apathetic but still keeps crawling forward?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
None of us here, know, Rob. We're the peanut gallery, and all suppositions are exactly that -- suppositions.
Warspite63
Senior Airman
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- Dec 8, 2022
But did your green army men win? If so, you're probably more qualified than a lot of the 'experts' uploading content on the war these days.....
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Look at that extended bulge in the Russian lines.
It just keeps on getting longer and longer.
Almost as if "something" was deliberately shaping it.
I believe in this case, it's not the Ukrainians playing into Russian strategy, but rather Ukraine leading the Russians to the slaughter...
It just keeps on getting longer and longer.
Almost as if "something" was deliberately shaping it.
I believe in this case, it's not the Ukrainians playing into Russian strategy, but rather Ukraine leading the Russians to the slaughter...
Thumpalumpacus
Major
But did your green army men win? If so, you're probably more qualified than a lot of the 'experts' uploading content on the war these days.....
lol, living in Iran where the summers were hot and winters cold, I fashioned a mud-mountain in the yard of our flats, bare dirt and no grass, and let it sun-bake over the summer. Once it was nice and hard, I stole a tablespoon from mom's kitchen and scooped out caves and ledges and trails. Had some trenches dug surrounding it equipped with the occasional Matchbox tank doing support work.
I'd set my tan and green boys up, get out my wrist-rocket and .177 BBs, and voila ... Colonel Gossett. My greens always won, most likely due to my sheer genius.
Probably helped that the tans couldn't run into the caves I so nicely dug for them.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I hope you're right, Ghostie, I really do.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Honestly, tell me if this does not have the hallmark of a designed killing zone.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
It does. Question is, do UAF have the forces needed to snap the trap? If so, why can't the Russians see it?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Kursk "incursion" involved about 1,000+ Ukranian ground forces.
Meanwhile their battle hardened forces, including the 47th Mechanized are in the area of the "bulging" Russian front.
Something is most certainly afoot.
Ascent
Senior Airman
Who says they can't see it? They may be able to see it but still have to keep going because who wants to tell the boss that you're not advancing when you could be?
The Ukrainian choice of targets in the Kursk region (as well as others) is designed to hinder or stop supply to Russian
forces in Ukraine. By using minimal troop deployments to do this the pressure on Troops in Ukraine is relieved and the
pressure on Russian troops increases.
Logistics wins wars and Russian logistics are being picked apart. look at what Russian troops in Ukraine are going through
just to be able to transport themselves and supplies they need, as well as problems just getting safe drinking water. Hard to
fight when food, fuel, and ammunition isn't getting to you in usable amounts.
forces in Ukraine. By using minimal troop deployments to do this the pressure on Troops in Ukraine is relieved and the
pressure on Russian troops increases.
Logistics wins wars and Russian logistics are being picked apart. look at what Russian troops in Ukraine are going through
just to be able to transport themselves and supplies they need, as well as problems just getting safe drinking water. Hard to
fight when food, fuel, and ammunition isn't getting to you in usable amounts.
